By a Newsnet reporter
 
The pro-Union ‘Better Together’ campaign was officially launched today in Edinburgh by former Chancellor Alistair Darling.
 
The Labour MP was joined by former Scottish Conservative leader Annabel Goldie and her replacement Ruth Davidson.  Also present were Scottish Labour leader Johann Lamont, her deputy Anas Sarwar and Scottish Lib Dem leader Willie Rennie.

The No campaign has been billed as the focal point for those who wish Scotland to remain in the Union and campaigners have insisted that it will rely heavily on positive messages.

However the launch suffered an embarrassing setback when it coincided with welfare cutback proposals announced by UK PM David Cameron.  The campaign also came in for criticism after opponents claimed it was “mired in negativity” and contained “threadbare” arguments.
 
The campaign brings together an alliance of Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem parties in a partnership aimed at thwarting the hopes of the pro-independence Yes Scotland group.

According to Alistair Darling, a Yes vote in the 2014 referendum will mean a "a one-way ticket to send our children to a deeply uncertain destination".

Mr Darling emphasised cultural, economic and social links he claimed were strengthened through Scotland being in the Union.

Mr Darling explained: "When Scotland votes in the referendum, we will face a historic choice which will shape our country and our families' futures, not just for the lifespan of a parliament, but for generations to come.

"Chairing this campaign, is one of the most important things I have ever done in politics - the decision we make is the most important we will make in our lifetime."

The Labour MP added: "We make a positive case for staying together.  A positive case that celebrates not just what makes us distinctive but also celebrates what we share.

"We put the positive case for staying together.  We are positive about our links with the rest of the United Kingdom, through families and friendships, through trade and through shared political, economical and cultural institutions.”

However Mr Darling also launched a sustained attack on the SNP, rehashing many of the claims and arguments that have featured prominently in the Scottish media over the last few months.

There were attacks on an independent Scotland’s economic prospects, the plan to maintain Sterling, membership of the EU and Scotland’s ability to send aid to less well of nations.

No-Campaigners also claimed that Scots would be cut-off, with borders being introduced making the visiting of relatives difficult.  Leaflets were circulated implying that Scots currently employed by English and Welsh firms would lose their jobs.

Responding to Mr Darling’s speech, SNP leader and First Minister Alex Salmond said:

“Alistair Darling’s use of smoke and mirrors during his speech exposes a campaign mired in negativity.  His threadbare case against independence has been exposed by the weakness of his arguments, and his presentation suffered from three devastating failures.

“Firstly, he claimed that the Union was a ‘celebration’ of Scottish values, on the very day that the Prime Minister of that political union is proposing to eliminate housing benefit for young Scots.

“There is no celebration of Scottish values in this Westminster Government’s policy toward young people, nor in the last Labour Government’s pursuit of an illegal war in Iraq.

“Secondly, the anti-independence campaign’s claim to be making a positive case has been exposed as a fraud.  Alistair Darling’s presentation was littered with words such as ‘borders’, ‘division’ and ‘upheaval’ – expressing arguments better suited to the 18th century than to the 21st.

“No rational person seriously believes that England would cease to be a major market for Scotland’s goods – and Scotland for England’s – following independence.

“And equally no informed person would be unaware that Scotland is playing a world-leading role in tackling climate change – but Alistair Darling seemed to be unaware that it was the Scottish Parliament that was responsible for this, or indeed that our efforts have been praised by the UN Secretary General.

“Clearly, if it was up to Mr Darling, he would take these powers back to Westminster.

“With achievements like these, it is no wonder that the Scottish Social Attitudes Survey has found that seven in ten Scots trust the Scottish Government to act in Scotland’s best interests, compared to just 18 per cent who trusted Westminster.

“Thirdly, Alistair Darling said not a single word about the anti-independence campaign’s alternative vision of more powers for the Scottish Parliament.

“That is because – at heart – this is a Tory-led campaign, which is intent on conceding nothing to the people of Scotland, and hiding behind its refusal to spell out an alternative policy before the referendum. Urging people to vote no with only vague Tory promises of something else will only encourage more people to vote Yes to an independent Scotland.

“On all three counts, the No campaign has had its weaknesses exposed, and Alistair Darling is operating as the frontman for a Tory-led campaign of relentless negativity toward Scotland and its prospects.

“As we learned last year in the Scottish elections, negative campaigns are only successful when they face another negative campaign.

“Yes Scotland will be relentlessly positive as a winning antidote to the depressing negativity of the No campaign.”

Comments  

 
# davemsc 2012-06-25 18:05
Dear Alastair,

Incessant repetition of the word 'positive' does not make your massage a positive one.

I do hope Salmond mentions Darling's meaningless assertions when questioned by Lamont, as she will surely use the phrase a few times in her script.
 
 
# call me dave 2012-06-25 18:09
Who and what do I believe in this fight


That's easy, Mr Salmond and his vision of what Scotland will be, no contest really.

Nice to see Dennis Canavan putting his oar into the water too.

Aye they are all in it together now the Scottish Unionist Coalition against the people.

How long can they keep up the pretence?
 
 
# Alibi 2012-06-25 18:10
Bitter Together.

Oh, and I see their grammar is pretty atrocious. One of their posters reads "one in 5 Scots ARE employed by..." when of course it should be "One in 5 Scots IS employed by...".
 
 
# schawaldowris 2012-06-25 18:10
Mr Darling asserted that:-

"Chairing this campaign, is one of the most important things I have ever done in politics"

I would have thought his direct involvement in ruining the economy and cozying up to super rich bankers rated higher in his CV.
 
 
# rgweir 2012-06-25 18:16
I have treated the launch as a non event but have heard the reports of it on radio.
I believe they had what they called normal people on the stage telling why they were against leaving the union.
I think a little research should be done to find out who these people realy are,are they family members of politicians,Are they related to union leaders,Are they related to Scottish MSPs or MPs,Or are they actors.
 
 
# naemairleesplease 2012-06-25 22:47
Don't know if this is any use but I did a wee bit of digging and found this


Craig Guthrie
ship yard worker
Dumbarton
(surname on his hardhat)
---------

"Jim" James S Milne
Balmoral Group
Aberdeen
--------------

Rory Baldwin
web designer
Inverness
www.designlike.co.uk/.../
---------

Euan Reid
ghillie
Dinnet by Aboyne
------------

(not in the main video but on another video on their youtube page)
Nicholas Kilpatrick
Agricultural Lawyer
Ayr
www.k-and-w.com/main.html
---------------

Maybe somebody here knows how to find out if they're ordinary people or linked to the unionist parties.
 
 
# gus1940 2012-06-25 18:18
No sign of Charles Kennedy in any of the pictures.
 
 
# Marga B 2012-06-25 18:22
Have you read the vile and rather alarmingly hate-filled article in the Guardian by the usual subject, who claims to be the Scottish correspondent (much the same as the subject who claims to be the Scotland Minister):

"If Salmond loses the referendum, they expect to use that defeat to force his resignation as leader of the Scottish National Party and then oust the SNP from power at the next Holyrood elections in 2016. "It's all about beating Salmond. He can't have any gain from this," said one Whitehall source. The referendum "must be an end to independence; knock it on the head once and for all".

Oh, the agency in charge Blue Square digital, is the same digital campaigning agency which helped Barack Obama win the US presidential race in 2008.
 
 
# mrbfaethedee 2012-06-25 22:00
For info -

"The UK political director of Blue State Digital is Gregor Poynton, a former organiser of Scottish Labour in the two years leading up to the party's defeat by the SNP in 2007."
heraldscotland.com/.../...
 
 
# PrideoftheClyde 2012-06-25 18:23
Sad day for the No campaign when they had to settle with Darling as their front man. It is an absolute joke that not one single Holyrood unionist has the ability to front this campaign. So they are now left with the man who dithered and ruined our economy when the economic crisis hit.

A visit to the No campaign website today also confirmed my suspicions that the so-called 'positive case' is no more than scare stories dressed up to sound less negative.

As a former Labour voter, it makes me sick to my stomach watching them cosy up to conspire together and keep Scotland chained to the Westminster machine.
 
 
# Cuphook 2012-06-25 18:31
The No campaign must have a time machine as their secret weapon given how they appear to be fighting the 1970s SNP. They like tartan and reading Burns. WTF?
 
 
# proudscot 2012-06-25 18:33
Dennis Canavan was excellent on the radio this morning, articulate and acerbic about the Labour Party which left him, same as it left Jimmy Reid. In any future indy debates, all we'd need as our panellist reps would be Dennis, Lesley Riddoch and oor Nicola, to see off any "dependency" reps.

Re Darling's negative speech on the launch of the "Bitter Together" No Campaign, Margo MacDonald's label of "The Abominable No-Men" describes perfectly the collection of soor plooms who have banded together to try to thwart the Scots' aspirations for the independence of our country.

Finally, should Darling's nightmare independence scenario come to pass, and England erects border controls, it'll save me hours of journeying up and down to Yorkshire and Somerset, in order to visit my seven (half English) grandkids. If they then impose an embargo on postal deliveries between our two nations, just think what that would save me in birthday and Xmas cards and gifts. Roll on 2014, say I!!! lol, as Dave used to post to his hirsute friend Rebekah.
 
 
# freeussoon 2012-06-25 18:35
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear! Sorry, there's little else to say.
 
 
# clootie 2012-06-25 18:42
I think the photograph at the top of the article says it all.

Red and blue tories fighting to retain the turns each policy of running what's left of the empire.

On the radio this morning one Scot pointed out that in 1707 Scotland had more than 20% of the population of what is now the UK - from highland clearance to £10 assisted passage to Australia we have enjoyed the UK dividend.

Vote Yes and attend the March for Independence in Edinburgh on the 22nd September - let's make it a tipping point.
 
 
# schawaldowris 2012-06-25 18:43
Better together at Westminsters pleasure!
 
 
# 1876 2012-06-25 18:50
Reporting Scotland went a bit overboard with their red,white and blue colour scheme for the on screen name tags.
On that vein,I notice the bettertogether campaign's fancy Ad men,think the Union Flag is toxic, as no sign of it on their logos.How weird is that?I thought that's what they were fighting for?
 
 
# macdoc 2012-06-25 18:56
Watch the official No campaign advert.

Are these people so unaware of just how oxymoronic there beliefs are. the theme seems to be im too patriotic to be a nationalist. ehhhhhhhhh

I just think my own nation is too small poor, insignificant and stupid to control her own affairs. instead I prefer a larger country making the descisions for us. We don't live in a union, a union implies respect and mutual reciprocity bwteen two (or more) nations when the fact is we are the insignifacnt less than 10% part who gets told what do to. How Scottish people cannot see this I will never know.

youtube.com/.../YY4CCaDyvCE

Why don't they just embrace the union jack and call themselves British nationalists. At least then they couldn't be classed as dishonest.
 
 
# scottish_skier 2012-06-25 19:31
To be honest, if you were not paying close attention or had the sound turned down, this might appear to be an advert for Scottish independence. Ideal if they put it on during advert breaks on the telly.

If you are paying attention and have the sound up it still looks like an advert for Scottish independence, but one which has gone rather awry with people getting their lines wrong.

EDIT. A real 'save the union' video would have rolling images of all of the UK, people from all across the UK saying how much they love Scotland and having us all united. It would have union jacks as a focus in addition to St. George's crosses. Instead, this looks like they are terrified of it being too British so focus almost entirely on Scotland. Ergo, it looks and feels like an advert for Scottish independence unless you are paying full attention.

Hopefully they will employ the salitre on everything and do the yes campaign's work for them. The union jack will not appear in the no camp; that I am quite sure of.

In any event, Dave is doing a grand job right now. I can't wait to hear more about his plans for wholesale destruction of the welfare state. This will do more for the cause than any unionist pro-UK video which looks like an independence one.
 
 
# naemairleesplease 2012-06-25 21:31
I second everything you said there SS.

Also, did you notice they used the Yes campaign's theme tune "One Real Thing"?

They can't get an original slogan and they can't get an original theme tune.

WTF are they playing at?
 
 
# Dál Riata 2012-06-25 19:19
The No campaign - the death throes and thrashings of the end of Empire.

If there are no Labour supporters in Scotland, or UK-wide for that matter, who do not feel, at least, some disquiet with colluding with your long-term adversaries, the Conservatives, in doing Scotland down then it is beyond my comprehension. If I was a life-long Labour supporter I would now be feeling ashamed at my association with Scottish Labour and what it has become.
 
 
# banditti 2012-06-25 19:22
I am reading maggie craigs book about the red clydesiders and can't help thinking what hardie and mclean would think about a private school educated labour mp telling the scottish people we are better off being governed by a bunch of millionaire tory toffs than a parliament with real power in edinburgh. This labour mob are a disgrace

Comment edited by NNS Mod Team
 
 
# chicmac 2012-06-25 19:24
If the unholy alliance really, really, wants to portray a positive campaign, then might I suggest:

YES, TO DEPENDENCE!

as a rallying slogan?
 
 
# Zed 2012-06-25 19:26
Canavan hit the spot on the STV News report tonight.
Labour, Scottish Labour at that, joining forces with the Tories..

Canavan will be a real asset in the Yes Campaign.
 
 
# maxstafford 2012-06-25 19:34
I hate to use emotional language as it dorsn'r really add anything of use but seeing the remorseless negativity and vicious personal abuse along with the personal hate campaign against one of the most decent and capable statesmen these islands have produce has drawn me to the belief that this is becoming a straight up battle between good and evil. For us, it's about self determination and the desire to create our own solutions to our own problems whilst creating a peaceful and fairer society. For them, it's about self interest, power and privilege without merit, hubris and greed. Since they are all in it together and have no difference between them, the three Westminster monoliths should combine and call themselves the British United Front. Or BUF for short.
 
 
# Edulis 2012-06-25 19:36
I noticed taht Charlie Kennedy didn't/couldn't make it due to foreseen circumstances. More to the point Channel 4 News asked the awkward question, where is the money coming from and mentioned the rumour that it was a Tory donor and that the No Campaign was being much less transparent than the Yes Campaign. That will go down well.
 
 
# GrassyKnollington 2012-06-25 19:51
I saw Darling being asked if the "Gonnae say naw or the bogeyman'll get you" campaign was being funded by Tory cash.

He was very evasive and uncomfortable about the question.

Wouldn''t it be ironic if Stairheid Rammie, Lamont and the rest of the "soshalust" faithful were wildly clapping this morning on Bullingdon funds?
 
 
# KOF 2012-06-25 20:00
Quoting Edulis:
I noticed taht Charlie Kennedy didn't/couldn't make it due to foreseen circumstances. More to the point Channel 4 News asked the awkward question, where is the money coming from and mentioned the rumour that it was a Tory donor and that the No Campaign was being much less transparent than the Yes Campaign. That will go down well.


Try Googling Blue State Media (the media handling company behind the No Campaign), then look at WPP plc. It's more grist for the fan, as it were.
 
 
# Conan the Librarian™ 2012-06-25 19:51
The Telegraph is doing an all out offensive on this with articles by Auslan Cramb, Alan Massie, and of course, Alan Cochrane; plus no less than three news articles.
Nats, gird on your anti-spittle gear, get on over there...
 
 
# Conan the Librarian™ 2012-06-25 21:07
Make that eight now.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-06-26 12:53
I hope they choke on the blood money they are getting to write such stuff.
 
 
# Ben Power 2012-06-25 20:22
Anyone can say what they like about the presentation but I still think he looked like Mr Bean and I cannot take his act too seriously either. Just a casual observation, probably not what he wanted to look like though.
 
 
# Hirta 2012-06-25 21:12
Another good reason to vote YES - get rid of crud like this once and for all :-)
 
 
# westender 2012-06-25 21:19
It is really interesting how low the launch of the No campaign comes on the London newsroom's list of important stories.
 
 
# Macart 2012-06-25 21:30
They do like repetition. If you say millions several times on a home page then we're to assume they have counted all the votes already? If you say positive often enough then we must have a positive campaign. Equally if you say too wee, too poor, too stupid often enough then people believe that's true as well. More a case of wizzin' on yer back an tellin' ye its rainin'.

I mean they don't really require any substance to their argument since they have almost total control of the media and lets face it they'll twist a message any way they're told.

Their entire argument is a joke. On an even platform they couldn't muster enough fact between them to give their own names correctly. The real problem, as always - MSM.
 
 
# cirsium 2012-06-25 21:56
Macart - yes the MSM is certainly a problem but do we now have another? Who is paying for Blue State Media? This media company is owned by WPP, the world's largest communications group (turnover £9.3 billion). Channel 4 News was definitely asking the right question - who is funding this campaign?
 
 
# Macart 2012-06-26 05:50
A good question cirsium. We know that Labour's warchest is bare, in fact we are fairly certain that they have some not inconsiderable financial difficulties. I believe the Labour front of this campaign to be a blind and that what we are actually seeing is a Tory led, Tory scripted and Tory funded campaign. But then looking at the image above we are faced with the Conservative rainbow alliance. Is the campaign not supposed to be wholly funded from within Scotland?
 
 
# Mac 2012-06-25 21:35
David Cameron has called for regional pay and regional benefits. So how can we 'better together'?
 
 
# call me dave 2012-06-25 22:02
#Mac
An astute observation; mental dichotomy for them then ! . . . But they wont worry as they are already on their next lie and don't stop to think.

#Macart above sums it all up. The MSM will straighten out the discrepancies for them.
 
 
# Conan the Librarian™ 2012-06-25 22:34
The SE of England will be 'better off' with us together.
 
 
# pmcrek 2012-06-26 00:15
Yeah maybe one day they will understand that you cant produce money and tourism in a wee corner without importing Food, Water, Oil and Power.
 
 
# raisethegame 2012-06-25 21:37
ha! Re Telegraph's 8-article onslaught from the 'naw' brigade, I see they all have the note 'Commenting is currently disabled for essential maintenance'. More like they don't like it up 'em from the 'Aye' brigade:)
 
 
# Legerwood 2012-06-25 22:36
I havbe just been on the Telegraph site and it is not just the Scottish stories which have no comment facility at the moment. I looked at several of their blogs which had nothing to do with Scotland and they all had a notice about 'Comment facility disabled for maintenance'.
 
 
# WRH2 2012-06-25 21:45
"No-Campaigners also claimed that Scots would be cut-off, with borders being introduced making the visiting of relatives difficult.". What exactly is Westminster planning? A new Iron Curtain complete with Checkpoint Charlie's at Berwick, Cornhill/Coldstream and Carlisle etc. Gun towers with search lights to ensure no one swims across the River Tweed under cover of darkness. Grow up for heaven's sake!
 
 
# proudscot 2012-06-26 11:50
Quoting WRH2:
"No-Campaigners also claimed that Scots would be cut-off, with borders being introduced making the visiting of relatives difficult.". What exactly is Westminster planning? A new Iron Curtain complete with Checkpoint Charlie's at Berwick, Cornhill/Coldstream and Carlisle etc. Gun towers with search lights to ensure no one swims across the River Tweed under cover of darkness. Grow up for heaven's sake!


WRH2, re the unionists' threat of border controls, remember a few months ago one of the Tories' unelected peers, Earl of Caithness I think, was claiming the Northern Isles would secede from an independent Scotland, taking "their oil" with them, apparently preferring rule from London, rather than Edinburgh. The same nonsense has also been peddled by Tavish Scott, with no evidence produced to support either mischievous claim.

More credibly, maybe a majority of the good folk of Berwick might just give Westminster a similar problem, by opting to rejoin an independent Scotland. So the Tories might have to shift any border checkpoints, not long after they'd erected them.

Slightly o/t, I watched Johann Lamont on Gordon Brewer's Newsnicht last night. Unscripted, she was even worse than she normally is on FMQs, even under Brewer's quite reasonable questioning. She seems incapable of thinking on her feet, and tries to answer most questions with obviously rehearsed soundbites. If I had been a Labour supporter, I would have been embarrassed by her performance.
 
 
# Silverytay 2012-06-25 21:46
Thankfully due to it being end of term this week and I am up over the head with work I have managed to miss most of this better together malarky .
Going by what I have been reading on this site and others it looks as though it would have had me reaching for the sick bowl.
If being part of better together means spending a £100bn on w.m.d rather than educating our youth , looking after the sick , the elderly and the homeless then no thank you I want no part of it .
I would rather belong to a country that still has a social conscience and educates its youth , looks after the sick , the elderly and the homeless .
I wonder what any labour or lib/dem supporter who still have a conscience think of their party after watching their leaders being enthusiastic cheerleaders with the tory,s especially after just call me dave,s speech .
 
 
# Macart 2012-06-26 08:24
Well said Silverytay.

It never ceases to amaze me how even supposedly socially aware leftist media have thrown their beliefs in the bin to support the Westminster neo liberal cause against the demonstrably centre left politics of the SG. You know what they say - 'You know who your real friends are when it hits the fan'.
 
 
# ukp50 2012-06-25 21:56
I've just watched BBC Scotland news report about this. Hilarious when the camera man, shown an woman, reject the leaflet, from a Unionist, handing them out.
Then he, tried with a pretty woman walking by, but she was embarrassed, either by the camera, or the idea.
But what got me, was the icon the campaign is using. The Saltire, rotated to look like a Plus sign, 'better together!'
Fine! The next item on the news was the ongoing Rangers saga. This one about the other SPL teams voting them out.
But what got me, paranoid, was the animation the BBC used. Against the background of Saint Andrews flag, two pots representing the Ayes & Noes from the SPL teams.
As, the animation was playing, showing which teams voting for Rangers joining or rejecting them. The Saltire slowly rotated, to look like the Union's icon!
Did any one else see this trick, or am I paranoid?
 
 
# ramstam 2012-06-25 21:56
Aye Westender, the NO launch is gey near invisible in the UK press. The YES launch at least got some coverage, if I mind right. What struck me though was nobody mentioned the words "London rule" or indeed the ridiculous "Equal Union"! Of course the journos in the months to come will start to ask the awkward questions and over two years the 3 party consensus will be stretched to breaking point. By contrast the SNP, Greens and SSP can agree to disagree on a smaller range of issues which in any case will be resolved after 2014. By the way what wis thon wee flag/logo thing! What was wrong with using the Union flag, the yin wi the English flag superimposed ower the Saltire? Efter aw that's whit the Union is aw aboot! Or is it juist no that popular in Scotland? A wee problem for the abominable NO men I would think!
 
 
# mrbfaethedee 2012-06-25 22:17
After finally finding their website (you'd think their media blitz would have included making sure that search terms like 'bettertogether scotland website' would at least get them on the front page!) what do you find on the 'Hello' post of the site -
"We know that there will be trolls here and on social media, the cybernats. Welcome, even to you. We hope you will at least be civil."
Muppets.
 
 
# Mad Jock McMad 2012-06-25 23:01
One of the more interesting 'keep dependence' quote on the Telegraph was that if we became independent we would be over run by Islamists. I pressed the point and we were apparently going to become Al Queda's EU operation source. Yet the poster added something daft when pushed a little further saying we would be over run by Islamists just as is happening in England. If that is the case why will Al Queda bother with Scotland (where they will stand out like a sore thumb) when they can operate in areas of London, Birmingham or Manchester with near impunity.......... ?

As for their website if you Google - better together Scotland - you get the Scottish NHS page coming up.
 
 
# Conan the Librarian™ 2012-06-25 23:20
I had to go to Wiki to find the website.

I must admit I'm mildly annoyed by the 'welcome' to cybernats; as always they (lets call them 'Admin') ignore the Telegraph/Daily Mail English supremacist bile which will fill their comments page too.

We should be used to it I suppose.
 
 
# naemairleesplease 2012-06-25 23:39
Here's their website for anyone else that can't find it. Took me ages.

bettertogether.net/

Check out the "Our Launch Film Music"
and compare it to this

www.youtube.com/.../

I wonder if the yes campaign can sue them for copyright.

BBC Scotland allowed comments on one of their reports on this story

bbc.co.uk/.../...

1074 comments before they closed it.
I checked out the first page of highest rated comments and nearly all were pro independence.

I wonder if support for independence is much higher than we're all led to believe.

Tyran posted this on wingsoverscotla nd

postimage.org/image/5aepjpjtz/

Made me laugh :)
 
 
# Independista 2012-06-26 00:57
I case you missed the discussion on Radio Scotland re the launch of the No campaign. I reckon that the contributions from the Yes side far more constructive than those from the No side, but judge for yourself.I thought Denis Canavan was brilliant, and Anas Sarwar actually admitted that he could be persuaded to independence
bbc.co.uk/.../...
BTW remember to vote YES in the Telegraph article here
telegraph.co.uk/.../...
 
 
# Diabloandco 2012-06-26 08:59
the " nos" have it at the moment - but then it is a paper which sells less than 20,000 in Scotland so presumably there are thousands of English folk who love Scotland sooooo much that they are willing to ignore the fact that we have free education, free healthcare for the elderly , free prescriptions,l oads of unemployed claiming huge amounts of money all paid for by the generous folk south of the border, and who would never want us to leave the UK.Goodness knows where all those vitriolic comments come from on their website and that of the Daily Mail - couldn't possibly come from their readership or their journalists.
 
 
# MyNameIsMud 2012-06-25 23:57
To the casual observer (ie. my wife) it apparently looked like it was team Darling, Lamont, Davidson and Rennie that were being championed as 'Better Together', rather than it being a reference to their sentiments on the Union.
Make of that what you will.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-06-26 01:02
I noticed on TV that the 'no' campaign backdrop included a saltire which had been rotated to bring the cross into an orthogonal position which, in their mind, is a plus sign, apparently symbolic of their unionist credentials.

However, in my mind it did not take a huge leap of imagination to see that it resembled the beginnings of a swastika sign, symbolic of a fascist type of unionism which dictates what is good for the people of Scotland and denies people their birth right.
 
 
# ButeHouse 2012-06-26 01:47
On the BBC 24 hour news today the England football team dirge aka press conference was given 14 minutes, the NO Launch 3 minutes.

Either the BBC thinks the NO's have it sewn up already r they couldn't care less either way it's good news.

VOTE YES in 2014
 
 
# CapnAndy 2012-06-26 02:34
Has anyone else read the BBBC online article on this?
A four page spread extolling the virtues of the No campaign ad nauseum.
It really is BBC bias at its worst.
 
 
# cuckooshoe 2012-06-26 04:01
David Cameron's speech on sweeping benefit cuts under a future Conservative Government was well timed.. The Conservatives stand to gain from Independence since Scotland only sends 1 Conservative MP
 
 
# J Gordon 2012-06-26 06:02
Yes, I also saw the BBC website. It seems exaggerated it is not in line with standards.

My questions remain the same - who exactly are the financial backers of the No campaign? Where are they based?
 
 
# aiberdeen sheep 2012-06-26 06:17
o/t to give Gary Robertson his due, he has just decimated Willie Bain on GMS.
 
 
# Angus 2012-06-26 06:57
aiberdeen sheep
Aye, I heard that also, Willie Bain started off okay, then got shredded by Gary Robertson. Bain's arguements lay in tatters as he went from being confident to flustered, it was a priceless interview, speaking of which, did anyone hear Mrs Lamont's interview after the NO opening? She was like a stuck record and could only repeat the same old trash when being asked differant questions.
They interviewed Dennis Canavan afterwards and he was superb. Got to take a bow to the man, what he said was spot on, he was also very cool and very articulate.
 
 
# alang 2012-06-26 08:07
Remember you can trust us Unionists (Tory/Labour/Lib-Dems) with the UK economy.
Answer: No way the Unionists invented PFI to build all those wonderful news schools and hospitals and saddled the people with massive debts for years to come to make the fat cats ever fatter! Now we have an English NHS Trust going bust because it can' pay these criminal PFI repayments! Unionists, trust them with the economy, it more of the same, jam tomorrow, do as we tell you, left & right they are all the same, so I hope people see through their smoke and mirrors ploy.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-06-26 10:39
The PFI figures mentioned in the news this morning were horrendous. In the case of the NHS trust, central government (viz The Treasury) are saying they will pick up the bill.

Note: will this incur Barnett consequentials or are Scots paying for some of this too as well as for their own indebtedness?

It's as if private companies have the government over a barrel and they just go with it. However, the government is the paymaster and they could twist arms if they choose to do so. It looks like another form of corruption where there are vested interests within government to throw public money at private companies.
 
 
# Mark MacLachlan 2012-06-26 08:11
A more fitting cheesey theme tune for the Better Together campaign...

.../all-good-pals-together.html
 
 
# elmuzzerino 2012-06-26 08:21
I see the posters about the aid budget and the employment by English firms etc have mysteriously vanished from the Better Together website.

Anyone know where I can find them? I wanted to write a nice little rebuke on my blog.

Cheers

www.muzzerino.com
 
 
# James01 2012-06-26 08:58
I remember watching the report on the YES campaign on the UK 6 o'clock news and they raised questions about Scotland using the pound, separate army etc etc which is fair enough, but guess what on the news report about the NO campaign yesterday they raised the very same questions. I don't get that, where is the questioning of the Unionist argument? Shouldn't they have raised questions like 'if the Union is so great how come there are high levels of poverty in Scotland, one of the lowest life expectancies in Europe, high levels of drug abuse etc etc.
 
 
# ianbeag 2012-06-26 09:20
I'm surprised by the lack of comments on the most awful presentation of his speech by Alastair Darling. Three autocue screens,one left, one right and one in the centre as normal but his technique of reading every paragraph with determined jerky turns of the head and body and as you would expect nicely edited from all the TV coverage. If the 'No' campaign is being guided by US professional advisers they should direct Alastair to studying more of Obama's presentational technique in front of the autocue. Not an auspicious start to the defence of 'the most successful union in history'
 
 
# X_Sticks 2012-06-26 10:09
"Speaking this morning to the BBC, Mr Darling said:

"We have influence now, being part of the United Kingdom. I don't want to throw that influence away.

"My argument is not that you couldn't go it alone as Scotland on its own, I'm not arguing that at all. I just think it is better for us to be together in the United Kingdom because we can achieve far more influence and have more clout.""

So, Mr Darling, we have influence. Influence over what, exactly?

Over illegal foreign wars perpetrated by a lying Labour Prime Minister? Influence over the global banking crisis? Influence over the Euro crisis? Influence over the unwanted WMD based in Scotland. Influence over the unfair Defence spending in Scotland? Influence over the unfair spending in the BBC? Influence over the wealth of Scotland stolen by westminster? Influence over the unelected house of "lords"?

Unfortunately I don't actually see much influence over anything very much in your wonderful union.

You are right that Scotland can go it alone, and would do much better on its own. You and your ilk think it is better for us to be together because you have a vested interest in a cosy retirement in the house of lords, where as an unelected "lord" you can continue to influence things to the benefit of westminster and the detriment of Scotland. Is this the sort of influence you are talking about? I think so.


The desire for independence for Scotland comes from wanting to have influence over Scotland's own affairs without you or your ilk forever doing Scotland down.
 
 
# Angus 2012-06-26 11:32
Quoting gus1940:
No sign of Charles Kennedy in any of the pictures.

He was probably down at the boozer wondering what happened to the Lib Dem Federalist policy for Scotland.
 
 
# Clarinda 2012-06-26 12:35
Idea for some posters ....
Above a bewitching photo of either Ms Lamont or Ms Davidson the following question -
"Better To Get Her?"

I reserve my suggestion for Mr Rennie.
 

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