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UK Chancellor George Osborne has been urged to adopt an economic plan MacB as he prepares to deliver next week’s Autumn Statement.
 
Speaking ahead of Tuesday’s speech, SNP Westminster Treasury spokesperson Stewart Hosie MP called on the UK Government to “stop dithering and start delivering” measures to boost the economy and enhance consumer confidence.

Mr Hosie, a Member of the Treasury Select Committee, said:

“George Osborne must stop dithering and start delivering a plan MacB to stimulate the economy by supporting capital investment, improving access to finance and enhancing economic security.

“So far the Chancellor’s rhetoric has not been matched by the arithmetic, and the autumn statement must bring a change of direction.

“The Treasury must follow the successful strategy of the Scottish Government and set out a targeted, cost effective, programme of new capital investment.  Despite a 36 per cent real terms cut in its capital budget, the Scottish Government are using every lever at its disposal to invest more into capital in the coming years – with the result that investment in infrastructure is rising by a quarter in Scotland over the spending period.”

Echoing calls from the construction sector Mr Hosie said:

“In particular, the construction sector is crucial and the Chancellor should respond positively to the proposals by many in the sector to reduce the rate of VAT on repair and maintenance work to houses from 20 per cent to 5 per cent.  This would help improve our housing stock, create jobs and potentially bring empty homes back into use.

“Action is also needed to help pension funds and other large institutional investors to channel a proportion of their investment into major infrastructure projects, while reducing the interest charged on local authority public borrowing would let councils maximise their part in supporting the economy.”

Mr Hosie’s comments come as the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) is predicting the UK economy will enter another recession early in 2012.  OECD officials are said to have advised the UK coalition of a possible need for an economic plan B. 

The coalition are believed to be considering plans to try to attract £50 billion worth of investment capital in order to boost infrastructure projects, something the SNP has been calling for.

The SNP’s Treasury spokesman also highlighted the problems faced by small to medium sized businesses in accessing finance.  Prime Minister David Cameron has already indicated that a new “credit easing scheme” is to be announced that will reduce the cost of loans for small and medium-sized businesses.

Mr Hosie called for help for Scotland’s cutting edge gaming industry, adding:

“Scotland is home to a world class video game industry, including in my own Dundee constituency, and there is a strong case to reverse the last Labour Government’s decision to abandon proposals for tax relief for the video games industry.

The SNP MP also addressed speculation that the UK Chancellor is planning to cut welfare benefits and said:

“This must be an autumn statement that delivers for individuals as well as businesses because economic confidence has been weakened as household budgets are being squeezed by rising fuel and food prices, so it is imperative to mitigate these pressures.

“Again the Scottish Government has shown the way forward by acting to continue freezing the council tax, abolish prescription and protect concessionary travel. In contrast, there is growing concern at reports that the UK Government is considering uprating benefit levels next year by less than the rate of inflation. Increasing that would slash the incomes of some of the most vulnerable in our society, and I have urged the Chancellor not to cut benefits incomes next year.

“It is clear that Scotland needs the same financial and economic powers as other nations have, so that we can grow our economy and revenues as the only alternative to a decade or more of Westminster-dictated cuts. We have used the powers we have wisely – we now need the same powers as other countries have in order to sort this mess out.”

Labour leader Ed Miliband has also urged the Chancellor to ‘change course’.  Mr Miliband said that Mr Osborne should focus on reducing VAT, bring in a ‘bank-bonus’ tax and move forward ‘essential’ capital investment.

Mr Miliband insisted that the coalition’s deficit strategy was a gamble that was failing and that Mr Osborne should consider more borrowing to help the economy.

Answering critics who have said that more borrowing is too expensive, Mr Miliband said: “the answer is the cost of not acting is the more expensive choice, economically and socially,”

Last week SNP Finance Minister John Swinney called on the Chancellor to borrow £2 billion in order to protect the Scottish economy.

Mr Swinney’s request was subsequently dismissed by Lib Dem UK Treasury Chief Danny Alexander.

Comments  

 
# Fungus 2011-11-27 00:26
Osbourne taking money destined for the denizens of the City of London and use it to help the sick, the poor and the unemployed. Oh look I just saw a flying Thatcher.
 
 
# Arbroath1320 2011-11-27 00:29
I posted this link on another article but feel that it is more pertinent on this one.

bbc.co.uk/.../...

I think this will be Georgie Porgie's response to Stewart Hosie's demands. Not only that but I do not think that we will hear anything from good old Georgie about cancelling the proposed fuel price hikes in January and August. We therefore have Beaker rabbiting on about how great he is in "giving" the islands a 5p cut per litre of fuel, but in reality this "great news" will be swallowed up by the January and August price hikes.

At the end of the day the Autumn Statement from Georgie Porgie on Tuesday will do, in my view, absolutely nothing for Scotland and her people.

Somehow we need to start shouting from the roof tops until we are hoarse that Scotland continues to be shafted by Wastemonster. We need to demand from the MSM and BBC that they stop being unionist lap dogs, stand up and defend Scotland and for once in their scrawny little lives do what is right for Scotland, not what they are told by London is right.
 
 
# Fungus 2011-11-27 00:43
Quote:
The plan sees the government underwrite banks' borrowing, allowing them to borrow more cheaply. This saving should then be passed on to the firms through lower interest rates.


No it won't. They were supposed to loan more to small businesses in exchange for the bail out...they just used the money to enrich themselves.
 
 
# Arbroath1320 2011-11-27 00:50
You know that and I know that Fungus. The problem is there are a hell of a lot of people out there who don't, and what's more they all believe the ***** that continues to spread by Georgie Porgie, the Traitor, Beaker and the rest of the bampots in Wastemonster.

[ offensive language removed. -- NNS Mod Team ]
 
 
# Macart 2011-11-27 09:04
Hi Arbroath

Just checked out the link and I'm thinking elephants and livingrooms. Just because Georgie boy is offering to underwrite 20bil in loans does not mean the banks will hand any out. There isn't enough confidence in the banking sector yet. They'll see making any loan as an unacceptable risk. Equally small to medium businesses are terrified of borrowing, they can't guarantee that the work will follow the exposed investment. In other words its a feel good statement with everyone knowing that nothing will come of it.

The govt. itself has to start spending on capital projects, which provides wages in pockets and consumer spending confidence. Once we start buying that new car, that new bathroom we provide the confidence for business to expand.

Although I'm kinda hoping he doesn't follow the John Swinney's template and makes a complete cod of himself.
 
 
# Sleekit 2011-11-27 00:31
Raising welfare by less than inflation is just another step on the road to their abolition and a workfare system implemented instead.

The Tories want economic slaves and nothing else.

We need to keep reinforcing with people what is happening and that the only way out is through Independence.
 
 
# Jimmy 2011-11-27 00:39
I see Willie is spreading nonsense about independence again. The home of innovation and discovery will be stifled of research funding if we get independence..

scotsman.com/.../...
 
 
# Sleekit 2011-11-27 01:10
Yes. I see he has failed to realise that invesment in R&D comes to these institutions not through the loving grace of westminster but through the hard work, professionalism and reputation of the institutions involved.

If you need top notch research undertaken you dont go to the local college, you find the leaders in the field regardless of location and you pay them to give you what you need.

However, given the UK cuts to scientific pursuits will we even notice the difference or will we just move onto the next customer?
 
 
# Arbroath1320 2011-11-27 01:18
Wullie Rennie, the numpty "Bus Driver". I guess he's gone over too many speed bumps today to come out with this nonsense.

Anything to put Scotland down.

I guess he's spent too much time at Dalgety Bay looking for radioactive particles. Unfortunately I think he has inhaled some of them by mistake.
 
 
# Angus Ogg 2011-11-27 10:30
Quoting Jimmy:
I see Willie is spreading nonsense about independence again. The home of innovation and discovery will be stifled of research funding if we get independence..

scotsman.com/.../...







www.google.co.uk/.../
 
 
# Old Smokey 2011-11-27 00:34
Slightly related, I see the UK Government is giving £ 1 Billion to Africa in aid to fight climate change in Africa, but the same government cant be bothered to give Scotland £ 1 billion for Carbon Capture. Its all about looking good on the world stage and sod the Scots!
telegraph.co.uk/.../...
 
 
# Jimmy 2011-11-27 00:41
You can't fight climate change smokey. The climate is always changing. Spending a billion to bury harmless hot air is bonkers. As is giving a billion to Africa so their leaders can buy new lear jets and limos.

[Online Editor - Your posts are welcome however you appear to post a multitide of spurious claims and pejorative comments on the subbject of green energy. These posts are threatening to derail sensible and informed debate.]
 
 
# ButeHouse 2011-11-27 00:40
Stewart Hosie is yet another f the SNP's big hitters who exudes confidence. Very important for a nation, many of whose peoples have been so brow beaten over the years.
 
 
# J Wil 2011-11-27 00:51
I have never watched the proceedings of the Treasury Select Committee, but I cannot imagine Stuart Hosie taking any nonsense from the committee members or standing for any intimidation from its chairman.

Usually bullying tactics arise from the bully perceiving that his potential victim appears to be weak and will therefore try it on time and time again.
 
 
# GerrySNP 2011-11-27 02:19
Some figures came out on NNScotland the other night which said something to me. Up to now in the argument along the Keynesian lines I have been concerned about the demand for capital spending on the grounds that it was going to increase the already too high public debt.
But what emerged was that it had been calculated from the models that the sum of perhaps 10 or 20 billion could make a fast and significant difference to a recovery. And while neither I nor anyone else should think that £20 billion was peanuts to add, it actually is only the addition to the debt of less than 2% and, more to the point, the addition to the deficit of less than 20% with the best chance of reducing that deficit by more than that in 2 years.So plan MacB has to be better - maybe Keynes was right all along!
 
 
# Legerwood 2011-11-27 16:18
Which makes you wonder why the coalition government does not take £20 billion of the £75 billion of QE and put that directly into capital spending rather than it disappearing into the banks as happened with the last tranche of QE.
 
 
# Jimmy 2011-11-27 02:50
Our debt has just passed the £1trillion mark Jerry ( £4tr if pension liabilities and PFI etc are taken into account) so the £20Bn is about 0.02% of our debt.
It's all academic. We can't pay off the debt and will default. Adding more QE ( printing money) will kick the can down the road long enough to keep shiny face and his Eton friend Gideon in a job until they can get a position in the EU.
 
 
# oldnat 2011-11-27 04:03
This is a bubble - like many others that have existed over the centuries. Lenders (ie banks) have lent out money that didn't exist[1] on the basis of assets that they didn't actually have [1] on the assumption that the bubble would continue to grow.

When the bubble burst, the assets that underlay the lending were found to be insubstantial. The increase in wealth of my investments never actually existed. The debts of those (countries and individuals) who had borrowed excessively were equally fictitious. The wealth siphoned off from the bubble by its manipulators was a myth too.

"Default" is just another term for equalising the relationship between real assets and their supposed value.

People and institutions who made stupid gambles (like imagining that Greece - or a home buyer allowed to self-certify their income - could ever repay the money they borrowed) just have to accept that they made a crap decision. If they lent money that wasn't actually backed up by solid assets, then they won't be fully repaid.

The "fictional" wealth needs to be stripped out of the system. Ideally, we would be able to identify those individuals who profited from the bubble, and declare that wealth to be non-exiostent to balance the books.

Achieving that is impractical, however, so we probably just need to accept that those with wealth need it to be cut (by taxation, quantitative easing etc) while thos with debt need it to be similarily cut (by quantitive easing, repayment haircuts etc).

To pretend that the debt was "real" when the asset value being lent somehow wasn't simply allows the financiers to transfer even more of the world's real assets into their rapacious pockets.

[1] No money is "real". It is simply a representation of actual assets. When governments print money, that may be a tactic for the common good. When financial institutions do that through providing cheap credit, it is a recipe for public harm.
 
 
# Alba4Eva 2011-11-27 06:06
" The "fictional" wealth needs to be stripped out of the system. Ideally, we would be able to identify those individuals who profited from the bubble, and declare that wealth to be non-exiostent to balance the books.

Achieving that is impractical, however, so we probably just need to accept that those with wealth need it to be cut (by taxation, quantitative easing etc) while thos with debt need it to be similarily cut (by quantitive easing, repayment haircuts etc)."

...My money (for what its worth & for how long its worth it) is on a lengthy period of inflation and the mass devaluation of global currencies Oldnat.
 
 
# G. P. Walrus 2011-11-27 13:18
What is currently happening is that individuals who have made huge personal fortunes on the back of generating false wealth are converting their share into real wealth by buying up real things: food, minerals, housing stock, land etc. Not only have these characters wrecked the financial system they are now monopolising ownership of real assets while the rest of us go into hair shirt mode trying to pay back the unpayable public burdens they have created, ably assisted by our poodle politicians.
 
 
# clootie 2011-11-27 07:06
The debt is invented / created to enslave and only because we continue to believe it does the myth continue.

From the point when the first man (and it probably was a man) put markers on the land and said "I own this" we were doomed. Think about the islands of the West coast of Scotland - they suddenly became private property? How did that happen - exactly the same way as Aboriginal land / red indian land / etc - gun ship diplomacy.
These figures are probably out of date but in the recent past around 75% of Scotland was "owned" by around a 1000 people.

What is happening in Greece (and the rest of Europe shortly) is part of the same old cycle only with the gunboat replaced by the banker
 
 
# Alba4Eva 2011-11-27 11:35
Hi Clootie, You are right to a point. We live in a global capitalist world because mankind has a Greed Gene... Mankind also has a Socialist Gene, but it only takes a small percentage of the population whose Greed Gene is more dominant; to turn the system Capitalist. It requires near 100% of mankind to have dominant Socialist Genes for the balance to be redressed.

There are 7 billion people in the world (from 1 billion in 1804!)... that is an unprecedented rate of growth, made possible by only one tangible resource and the catalyst was the Capitalist/Greed Gene.

Whether you like it or not, we have become used to living in a period of economic growth that started in 1804, When the wealth of the oil started to take effect. Yes, there were spikes and troughs on the graph of growth (depression of the 1930s for example), but the oil resources were always there to allow the rapid recovery. None of us have ever lived in a time when economic contraction is the norm and personally, I can't see mankind finding solutions to this problem, as long as the Greed Gene shapes the politics of our world & continues to be as dominant.

In the context of Scottish Independence, this whole issue is going to be hugely important and because of it's inherent nature, you won't hear it from politicians (we're doomed doesn't win elections), even from the SNP. The concept of Globalisation is an Oil-age ideology, but post oil-age, small and more local government closer to the people will be favoured.

Watch this... www.youtube.com/.../
...indeed, watch the entire 20'ish parts.

Sorry for sounding all doom & gloom *;0)
 
 
# clootie 2011-11-27 15:43
Alba4Eva

It is with great regret that I agree with your every word!
 
 
# Exile 2011-11-27 12:04
Jimmy

I imagine they'll be destined for bigger things than the EU, for services rendered. Morgan Stanley and Goldman sachs, among others, spring to mind.
 
 
# Roll_On_2011 2011-11-27 04:19
OT - Sorry about this one but I feel very strongly on this subject.

Part 1

A new report from the Tax Justice Network (TJN) highlights the staggering extent of global tax evasion.

newstatesman.com/.../...

The research, based on data from 145 countries, shows that tax evasion costs those nations $3.1 (£2) trillion annually. In the UK's case £69.9 billion is lost on a yearly basis in what the Tax Justice Network call the "shadow economy." That figure, they point out, "represents 56% of the country's total healthcare spend."

On the back of this report the Tax Justice Network has launched its campaign to Tackle Tax Havens. An initiative aimed at propelling tax avoidance up the political agenda by highlighting, in simple terms, the sheer scale of the sums involved and how they translate into increased cuts in public services for the rest of us.

So could the tide finally be turning for those who cheat the system? Richard Murphy of Tax Research UK, that undertook the research for the Tax Justice Network, says: "If only more had been done to tackle rampant tax evasion, Europe would not be facing a crisis today." Adding that to compel both business and the tax havens themselves to be transparent in their dealings would "shatter the secrecy of tax havens for good." Nothing, he goes on, "could make a bigger contribution than this to solving the world's financial crisis".


The list below shows a European subset taken from their data of the top 10 biggest losers.

3 Italy . . . . . £154bn
5 Germany . £139bn
6 France . . . £111bn
9 UK . . . . . . £70bn
10 Spain . . . £69bn

The raw data, in PDF format, can be downloaded from the following link:

www.tackletaxhavens.com/.../

We are well aware about the immoral corruption in our politicians but this study reveals a much wider one in the ‘shadow economy’ were individuals and Companies offset their greedy gains onto the wider hard working public, and force job closures in the very services that many people depend on.

They pay less = we pay more or get less, it’s as simple as that.

One other point, as the article indicates, would the EU be in the crisis it’s now in if that money, or most of it, had been repatriated? The eye watering examples of Italy and Greece, who have seen an autocratic placement at the head of government, undermining and subverting people’s right of access to democracy, could possibly have been avoided.
 
 
# clootie 2011-11-27 07:31
Roll_on_2011

This is an important part of the problem - but only part. The purpose of TAX has changed and creates a burden that is no longer under our control. Why should we pay tax for Tident / Aircraft carriers / Illegal wars when we do not agree with them. Why should we have a hidden tax regime that you cannot avoid but is loaded against the poorest (VAT on essentials)

At present government is no longer accountable and therefore unconstrained. If they overspend they tax. It may not be obvious - "environmental tax" which doesn't go to the environmental protection. Road tax which doesn't go to the roads etc.

Bring in a new law and those who advise the wealthy will have found a loophole within hours. Only those on PAYE make payments approaching a fair contribution at present.
a) How do we make politicians responsible
b) How do we make tax fairer
c) How do we collect it?
 
 
# Kiltshy 2011-11-27 12:28
Hi Clootie, perhaps the new law you are talking about should be that each person who works for more than 9 consecutive months in Scotland owe's the tax man one months salary. That would be irrespective of you earning £15000p.a. or £900 000p.a. payable anytime between April to April. That should get rid of all the tax dodgers
 
 
# Exile 2011-11-27 12:08
Roll on

Is you concern primarily with tax avoidance (legal, albeit a blight on the national economy and on those of us on wages or salaries) or tax evasion (illegal)?
 
 
# clootie 2011-11-27 15:48
It's tax avoidance when you do it!
It's tax evasion when your neighbour does it!

It comes from the same school of definition as Recession and depresion.

It's a recession when your neighbour gets laid off.
It's a depression when you get laid off.
 
 
# Roll_On_2011 2011-11-27 04:20
Part 2

Recently the ConDem Government introduced their sticking plaster sop Finance Bill:

guardian.co.uk/.../...

A government crackdown on tax evasion in overseas havens is expected to raise £10bn in this parliament, far more than previous forecasts.

The unexpected windfall follows negotiations between national governments and the British tax authorities, Treasury officials disclosed yesterday.

The Treasury had only budgeted to raise £1bn across the parliament, mainly from an agreement with Liechtenstein. But George Osborne, the chancellor, is now expecting to raise £2bn to £3bn from secret bank accounts in the mini-state alone.

Officials said a further £3bn was expected to be raised from Swiss bank accounts after an agreement with tax authorities there, signed 10 days ago, to push forward on a deal. There is thought to be up to £125bn stashed away in Swiss bank accounts by British citizens.


Well done Gideon a long shortfall £2bn on the £70bn and nothing on the £125bn thought to be stashed away in Swiss bank accounts by British citizens.

Another nicety most people will not know about is that a wee clause was inserted into their Finance Bill that exempts politicians from this legislation:

tax.org.uk/.../...

Growing controversy is being caused by sub-clause 554E (8) of the Finance Bill which contains a specific exemption for MPs from the ‘disguised remuneration’ legislation in the Bill.

Well there it is our politicians have been excluded through reasons of complexity.. complexity my erse.

But this is to be expected from a Government that looks after its friends ‘the few’ at the expense of the many. To illustrate:

independent.co.uk/.../...

The Conservative Party has become reliant on bankers, hedge fund managers and private equity moguls for more than half its annual income, an independent analysis of Tory finances has revealed. Since David Cameron became Conservative leader in December 2005, the amount of money the City has given to bankroll the Tories has gone up fourfold, to £11.4m a year. Over those five years, the City has donated more than £42m to the party.

Ah I hear you say.. He who pays the piper… Calls the tune. Correct go to the top of the class.

In summary I ask one simple question ‘Why do Governments around the globe play lip service to this scourge in their societies?’

I believe I know the answer, but I will let you make up your own mind.

Rant over. The Darkened Room beckons.
 
 
# Alba4Eva 2011-11-27 12:03
Let me know when you're finished with the darkened room eh?
 
 
# Arbroath1320 2011-11-27 12:08
Plenty room left in "the darkened room" Alba. It is always open for business. :D
 
 
# UpSpake 2011-11-27 08:24
Mr. Hosie. Please stand back and watch.Yoir leader went cap in hand to Westminster the week after his stunning election victory, with his wish list in place.
Regrettably they were requests, not demands. Strident desk thumping is what the timid torys and their lap-dogs react too, not 'requests' !.
Watch Tuesday as Osborne devolves APD to NI along with Corporation tax and then turns round and raises two fingers in the air at the SNP bench.
 
 
# govanite 2011-11-27 08:56
I sympathise with you, but we need to remember that much of our electorate is ridden with fear & uncertainty fed by years of misinformation.
I am prepared to trust Salmond on this, even though I like to see robust action more often. The truth is Salmond is slowly removing the bars of the cage.
 
 
# Keep UTG 2011-11-27 13:08
It`s the UK that has the uncertainty not Scotland. They`re looking after their own backsides,Scotl and is the cash cow,it goes its own way and so does the money.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2011-11-27 08:57
Well said Mr. Hosie. This is what we expect our Scottish Government to be doing. Take the fight to them, and challenge them on their fiscal ineptitude.

The fiscal strategy pursued by Osborne and Danny Alexander in London has failed, whilst in Scotland the strategy adopted by Salmond and Swinney of diverting current expenditure into capital projects appears to have had success, despite the limited powers they have.

It is now time for London to accept that John Swinney, Alex Salmond, and the Scottish Government have been right, and they were wrong. It is time for them to adopt what Alex Salmond rightly referred to as 'plan McB'.

If only Scotland were independent, we would be free of this irksome supidity by the posh boy George Osborne and his wannabee fawning assistant, former national park spokesperson, and MP for Inverness, Badenoch, Nairn and Strathspey, Danny Alexander.

In Scotland we have wisdom and experience setting the fiscal strategy, whereas in London we have Danny and George.

Time for plan McB.
 
 
# J Wil 2011-11-27 16:11
Bill Jamesion has been featured in the Scotsman for weeks now with a permanent picture in the paper having the caption, 'Plan McB isn't working'. A reminder to us all of the 'paper's anti-SNP stance. I notice the feature has now been removed. The reason? I believe it's because there is every likelyhood that the policy is about to migrate to Westminster.
 
 
# Wee-Scamp 2011-11-27 10:35
Improving access to finance will be impossible without major changes to the management teams running the banks.

The current crop are visionless, short termist, greedy, self centred and have absolutely no intention of helping to broaden out the economy.
 
 
# colin8652 2011-11-27 11:25
OT
sorry to be off topic, but a couple of things in the news this morning concern me

1. The shipping accident in the Irish sea. Will this wake the English government to the fact that reducing coast guard and search and rescue capability in island nations is pure folly.

2. I know there is split opinion on the matter of wind turbines, today's scare headlines in the Sunday Post is simply disgraceful journalism designed to play on the fears of their sixty something readership who tend to be the ones who dislike the turbines the most.

As a hill walker mountain-biker country dweller i could be expected to be against them. However being also a truck driver who's job has been secured over the last year by the construction of the massive Griffin wind farm and the Beauly to Denny power line can i just say these projects are a vital part of the highland community right now. In the absence of these projects there would have been no construction money being spent north of Perth other than in the build of more and more half million pound houses for rich from the south east of England to occupy and look down at us indigenous as inconveniently positioned poor people who spoil their view.

I have found that the anti wind farm brigade are mainly over 50, live in cities or have moved to the countryside to retire from cities or are just pretty much anti anything that is different. Wish these people would realise that there are other people who need the jobs and wages that these projects provide. Would they rather live next to a nuclear power plant?
 
 
# Legerwood 2011-11-27 16:08
Over 50, live in city and am not anti wind farms.
 
 
# rhymer 2011-11-27 11:59
Dear Online Editor - normally I disagree with Jimmy but his "thoughts" on global warming are fairly accurate. ALL the dire warnings about global warming are based on computer models. and ALL computer models are electnic guesses not facts. We are still coming out of the last ice age and yes the eath is warming BUT to what (if any) extent manking is contributing to that process is still very much in doubt.

[Online Editor - The poster's views on global warming was not the subject of my additional comment.]
 
 
# pa_broon74 2011-11-27 12:32
Speeling errors to one side.

I also think we're all mature enough to know that the words posted in comments will mostly be opinion based or atleast treated as such, unless of course its already well known or sourced.

I don't need my sensibilities protected by online-ed, they're not that delicate.
 
 
# G. P. Walrus 2011-11-27 14:03
Rhymer,

Much of scientific theory is based on "guesses" if by that you mean mathematical or computer models based on observed evidence. These computer models are validated against real data and their successes and shortcomings are published in refereed scientific journals.
There is a huge body of scientific consensus that human activity is contributing to global warming. This consensus has been built up over a long time, various alternative theories have been explored, mistakes have been identified and corrected.
To argue (with any real credibility) against this that it is "very much in doubt" that mankind is contributing to global warming, requires one to point to a body of evidence and authoritative opinion as comprehensive as that assembled in the IPCC that contradicts their overall conclusions. Such a counter-case simply does not exist.
 
 
# farrochie 2011-11-27 15:33
"human activity is contributing to global warming"

That statement is possibly correct. But is the contribution measurable compared with natural factors and should econonomies spend trillions of dollars to try to slow down the process.
 
 
# J Wil 2011-11-27 16:26
I feel sad at the lack of trust of the scientific community conjured up in some quarters.

That toaster in the kitchen. Do people in some way have suspicion it's not safe to use or that it won't do the job because it was a product of scientific reasoning? Just a small example, but the truth is we could not survive in the comfort we have if it had not been for scientific reasoning and the safety of outcomes of scientific theories. In some cases it may have taken some time to achieve, but eventually they got there.

It is politicians who are not to be trusted when they reject logic and use obfuscation and supposed ignorance to deceive us.
 
 
# rhymer 2011-11-27 23:11
GP Walrus
Yup a lot of evidence out there - but human activity being a major factor THAT is in doubt. The islandic volcano this year put more "greenhouse gas and pollutants" into the air than we have done in the past couple of centuries.
 
 
# Alba4Eva 2011-11-27 16:40
How refreshing is it to at least get a reason for a modification... You'll no get that class of service frae ra ol' Corporationi o' Britnat Broadcasting!

*;0)
 
 
# rhymer 2011-11-27 12:00
Please note that I am also in favour of alternate sources of energy
 
 
# rhymer 2011-11-27 12:05
Damn spelling errors...
gotta get a new kyboard.
 
 
# Briggs 2011-11-27 12:11
bbc.co.uk/.../...

BBC at it again ........ quoting a nonentity and allowing no comment on the piece?
 
 
# RTP 2011-11-27 15:19
Read that as well,your link does not seem to work.
 
 
# Fungus 2011-11-27 15:21
I was listening to that interview while driving this morning. The interview was about something else and he was asked, right out of the blue, about this uncertainty over the referendum crap. He answered " No, it isn't a problem" and gave reasons then was badgered with scenarios until he gave an answer more to the EBC's liking.

Same with the supermarket tax, his answer to the question was along the lines of 'why are you asking me, I know nothing about retail stuff' again he was badgered until he said supermarkets run on a small profit margin so I suppose any reduction in profit will have some effect. This has translated to that article.

It's just vile.
 
 
# Legerwood 2011-11-27 16:06
Quote:
...until he said supermarkets run on a small profit margin so I suppose any reduction in profit will have some effect


Tesco's profits are £3 billion, Sainsbury's about £600 million with ASDA and Morrisons not too far behind and a whole raft coming after that. So not narrow profit marginsd by any measure.

It is the producers and suppliers of the supermarkets who work on small profit margins because the supermarkets squeeze them to reduce their prices to the bone.
 
 
# Arbroath1320 2011-11-27 12:07
O/T but financially related.

Is it just me or do others have severe questions over the operations of the "so called" credit agencies.

So far we have had Greece fall into financial free-fall. Then we have Italy beginning to follow suit.

Now we have the credit agencies junking or downgrading Hungary, Portugal and Belgium.

businessweek.com/.../...

voanews.com/.../...

latimesblogs.latimes.com/.../...

The question now is how much longer will we have to wait before they downgrade or junk France, Germany, Holland or in fact any other European country.

Are these credit agencies really working for the best interests of the countries they downgrade or are they, as I suspect, working in the best interests of themselves.

Are, in fact, these credit agencies just not another limb of the banking tree that is working so hard to destroy the 99% of the population. Is there anything that can be done to fight these credit agencies much like the fight currently going on against the banks?

Who decided that these credit agencies have the right to make or break a country?
 
 
# Legerwood 2011-11-27 16:01
I believe the credit agencies are funded by the banks and it was the agencies that gave the AAA rating to all the dodgy mortgage packages until the brown stuff hit the fan.

There was talk of reforming them but that seems top have been put to one side.
 
 
# Arbroath1320 2011-11-27 16:10
I guess the idea is that they junk various countries bonds. They and their banking buddies then go and buy the junked bonds on the cheap. When all the s*** blows over and the junked bonds start gaining in value again they then look to sell them, at a profit off course.

And they call us too wee, too poor and too stupid.

Pull the other one Mr Banker/Credit Agency it has bells on.

We have you all in our sights. Start looking for another job now bozzos before we get to you all!
 
 
# Arbroath1320 2011-11-27 12:14
Here we go again. Another anti Independence twerp spouting s***e.

bbc.co.uk/.../...

Blinkered by the lies and corruption of the union. Quick some one call for the white van and men in white coats. :D
 
 
# Macart 2011-11-27 12:57
They're busy at 11 Downing street!:0D
 
 
# J Wil 2011-11-27 16:34
Much Naishing of teeth was heard.
 
 
# DJ 2011-11-27 12:33
O/T

Just watched a Labour MP on The Politics Show berate John Sopel for not asking the correct question! He replied that was the one he was asking.
 
 
# Arbroath1320 2011-11-27 16:06
Erm, excxuse me Mr. dingbat Labour politician but as interviewer Mr Sopel can ask what he wants. As interviewee you answer the questions you are asked, not the questions you want to answer.

DOH!

I think if this is the level of Labour intelligencia currently sitting in Wastemonster then it explains a great deal but please lets get rid of them A.S.A.P.
 
 
# rhymer 2011-11-27 16:29
Jeez!
Willie Rennie should not be allowed out without adult supervision. I bet the rest of the fatous five are wriggling in their seats every time Willie opens his mouth.
 
 
# sneckedagain 2011-11-27 17:14
O/T

There is an absolutely disgraceful and very dangerous piece by Lorraine Davidson in today's Sunday Post. In the course of the article she states in so many words that a young man got arrested for wearing a scarf in the papal tartan. He may have been arrested but it certainly wasn't for wearing a scarf in the papal tartan.
The legislation being promoted by the Government to address sectarian problems is now being used by Labour to play the sectarian card. This is the last refuge of the absolute scoundrel and an indication of the disgusting depths to which the unionists are prepared to stoop.
But as I'm a Lanarkshire Tim of many decades of watching the scum level with which the Labour Party in Lanarkshire has played this card in Central Scotland for decades I knew this was coming.
Be warned. I am writing to the Sunday Post in the strongest possible terms to insist that the full facts of the man's arrest (which has been fully vindicated after complaint) is published and that Lorraine Davidson be made to apologise for her actions. If no such action is forthcoming I will be writing to PCC
 
 
# peter,aberdeenshire 2011-11-27 17:25
The Sunday Post today is a disgrace with the political bias, Lorraine Davidson ex Labour party spin doctor, Mr Martin as editor, the weekly rubbish spouted by Ted Brocklebank, Hector Brocklebank makes more sense than this ex tv presenter. The funniest part though is the bit at the bottom of the opinion column where the Post tries to claim there is no bias. I did complain once but was called a cybernat, now its funny but the people who use that term most often are the rabid unionists, usually associated with the Labour party.
 
 
# snowthistle 2011-11-27 20:56
The Sunday Post used to be the paper of choice for the more senior citizens, not the best business model.
Did they bring Mr Martin in to turn it around like he did with the Herald?
 
 
# peter,aberdeenshire 2011-11-27 18:15
 
 
# Taysider 2011-11-27 18:25
I tried to add a comment just now but despite being logged in was told I couldn't as I hadn't registered. Does this happen to others too?
 
 
# Alba4Eva 2011-11-27 18:49
OT... I found this article on the TV license.

www.centreforcitizenship.org/.../
 
 
# millie 2011-11-27 18:58
O/T. Just info. re: Souter’s knighthood

news.stv.tv/.../...

As usual Mr Salmond is found innocent!
 
 
# Alba4Eva 2011-11-27 19:12
The more they desperately attack, the closer we get to freedom.

They are like a fly in a spiders web... the more they squirm, the worse it gets for them.
 
 
# RTP 2011-11-27 20:07
I don't see anything of this story on BBC not really surprised.
 
 
# jasp303 2011-11-27 20:44
"Salmond 'deceit' over knighthood for Brian Souter"

- Iain Gray said Mr Salmond's letter to Jim Sheridan MP showed he had told "outright falsehoods" in denying his involvement in securing the bus tycoon's knighthood.

- He said the First Minister was "at the heart of the escalating scandal"...


scotsman.com/.../...

Labour even have a URL dedicated to it.

www.scottishlabour.org.uk/.../
 
 
# Macart 2011-11-27 21:40
They really are scraping the bottom of the barrel. These people are a disgrace!
 
 
# hiorta 2011-11-27 20:27
Like England, the BBC will feel a tremendous financial chill when we quit this corrupt Union.
 
 
# rhymer 2011-11-27 23:06
I will "cave in, pa broon to your knowledge of spelunking errors.
I wasn't being sarcastic, I'm sure my damned keyboard is dyslexic.
Serves me right - £5.99 in ASDA
 
 
# rhymer 2011-11-27 23:16
Attn: J Wil
I bid one piltdown man and one eugenics programme for your toaster.
 

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