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  By G.A.Ponsonby
 
The owner of a Scottish Ice Cream family business has launched an astonishing attack on the Scottish food and drink industry, claiming that most Scottish food and drink brands are not good enough to withstand independence.
 
In a circular sent to Scottish food and drink businesses, Maitland Mackie attacked what he called the “destruction of the united kingdom” and claimed that buyers in England, Wales and Northern Ireland would refuse to buy Scottish produce because Scotland’s businesses would be viewed as “foreign”.

Head of the ‘Mackies of Scotland’ ice cream company, Mr Mackie was responding to a survey he himself organised that saw over eighty per cent of those receiving the questionnaire refuse to respond.

In an extraordinary letter to recipients, the Ice Cream Chief had urged them to “circulate this among the owners and/or senior executives of your business - and feel free to forward to other Scottish Food and Drink businesses.”

The question asked: “Recognising that given independence, buyers in the rest of the United Kingdom would consider all Scottish businesses to be foreign, the overall impact of an independent Scotland for Scottish food businesses will be”, and offered respondents several response options.

The survey, sent to 500 Scottish businesses was ignored by over 400 of the recipients.  However Mackie claimed that the response was “very high indeed” and that the results were “highly significant”.

According to Mr Mackie, his poll showed that “8% thought that becoming foreigners in 90% of our current market could be advantageous, 20% took a neutral position, and 71.5% expressed deep concern at the possibility of such a situation becoming a reality.”

Circulating the results to the press and the Better Together campaign, Mackie admitted that his poll was biased and wrote: “A couple pointed out that the question asked was biased!  Of course it was!  My covering letter, overtly conveyed my own views on the independence issue,”

He also claimed independence would lead to “colossal statehood responsibilities” and “uncertainty in all walks of life” and would lead to “20 years of political and bureaucratic hassle” and that there was “clear nervousness” amongst all businesses to put their heads above the parapet.

However, Mr Mackie’s claims regarding Scottish food and drink businesses is at odds with comments from Paul Walsh, Chief Executive of Diageo, who said on 23 August 2012 on the Radio 4 Today Programme that Scottish Independence would make no difference to the company’s investment decisions:

"No difference at all.  Scotch has been around for hundreds of years, it has seen all kinds of political changes.  We'll weather anything.  Our decision to invest is based on the economics that we think the category will continue to enjoy.  We have a very good relationship with Holyrood and with Westminster.  I don't think that debate is one we wish to get into."

The ice cream chief, who stood against Alex Salmond as a Lib Dem candidate in the 1999 Scottish elections, also claimed he has yet to find any businesses who are supportive of Scottish independence. 

“There are/must be some, but I have not yet found a business person supportive of full independence for Scotland.”

Mr Mackie’s attack on the strength of the Scottish Food and Drink brand will cause amazement within an industry that has thrived since the SNP took office in 2007.  The then new Scottish government’s target of £5 billion industry exports by 2017 was achieved six years early and new targets of over £7 billion by 2017 will see food and drink match the revenue achieved by the lucrative oil and gas exports

First Minister Alex Salmond has been central to opening up the Chinese markets to whisky, winning the iconic drink geographic location status.  The Chinese market has also been opened up to Scottish salmon.

 

Scottish Food and Drink facts:

1. Food and drink exports overseas and to the rest of the UK are at an all time high

  • Total food and drink exports to the rest of UK increased by £1.6bn over the period 2007 to 2010, to reach £5.9bn - an increase of 36%.  Food exports to the rest of UK increased by £1.1bn (32%) and drink exports by £510m (49%).
  • Total food and drink exports overseas from Scotland reached an all-time-high of £5.4 billion 2011, up 19% from 2010 and up 52% from 2007.  This included an increase of £438m (63%) for food exports and an increase of £1,401m (50%) in drink exports. 
  • The export target of £5bn by 2017 has been smashed and Industry (Scotland Food and Drink) announced yesterday that it has set a new export target of £7bn by 2017.  If achieved – this would provide for a 90% increase in 10 years.

2. Overall the food and drink sector remains successful

  • Turnover figures published on 12 September 2012 showed that the sector at £12.4bn – and it has achieved 99% of the 2017 target it set itself (£12.5bn) 6 years early
  • Results published on Monday (10 September) show that the value of Scottish farmed salmon was at record levels of £584.7m – showing a year-on-year increase of 5.6% (taking account of inflation).

3. Food and Drink is a strong performing Scottish industry

  • Scottish Enterprise survey of account managed companies (of which 250 are in the food and drink industry) showed that 50% of food and drink companies reported an increase in growth against a company average  of 47%; and an increase in export turnover of 44% against an average of 37%;
  • Republic of Ireland is the 4th most significant importer of food and drink into the UK, with 41% of its exports (total value £8.85bn) arriving here – demonstrating that the UK public are happy to consume products from other countries;
  • The world’s biggest farm Salmon Producer, Marine Harvest, announced on 16 May 2012 that it intends to invest £80m in its Scottish operations over the next 5 years; 
  • On 6 June 2012 Diageo set out a £1bn investment plan in Scotch whisky over the next 5 years creating around 500 jobs and taking on 100 Modern Apprentices and Graduate trainees.

Comments  

 
# JRTomlin 2012-09-13 21:11
"I have not yet found a business person supportive of full independence for Scotland."

It is highly possible he doesn't know Jim McColl. But Mr. McColl is hardly the only one. Mackie's proposition that (taking the bottom figure)there are NO business people in the 1/3 of Scots who support independence is absurd. Of course, there is also a risk in taking this kind of position.

By the way, you MISSPELLED whiskey. What WERE you thinking?
 
 
# oldnat 2012-09-13 21:26
It's probable that Maitland Mackie (saw my first ever TV programme in his Dad's house!) doesn't know Jim McColl (or confuses him with the Beechgrove gardener).

McColl runs a major manufacturing business. Mackie is a farmer (who has diversified into making good ice cream - but no better than that made by Wester Highgate Farmhouse - just up the road from me.)

Major companies, who trade in multiple jurisdictions, will have no problem with independence.

Small companies, who trade only in Scotland, will have no problem with independence.

There is a small sector - including Mackie, which only trades within the UK and are scared of having increased costs. I rather suspect that the Scottish Government will have a scheme to deal with those costs - but even if they hugely increased profits, Mackie would be against those profits.

Maitland Mackie is simply one of the ranting LDs. He stood as LD candidate for Banff & Buchan in the 1999 Holyrood elections.
 
 
# JRTomlin 2012-09-13 21:36
I was aware he stood agains AS in 1999 but not which party. Even I don't follow Scottish politics that closely. ;-)

Good to know there are other choices in Scottish ice cream because statements like that are a good way to lose business. In the US, I don't go anywhere near a certain fast food chain that is known for opposing gay rights. Of course, some people won't care, but some may very well. I suppose he felt it was worth the risk.
 
 
# oldnat 2012-09-13 21:48
Bet you don't know about Jim McColl, presenter of the Aberdeen based "Beechgrove Garden" TV programme either!
 
 
# JRTomlin 2012-09-13 22:25
I do now. ;-)

He looks a tad older than the business person. Any relation? And is he a nationalist? LOL

Totally Off-topic: I think I may have finally perfected a gluten-free scone recipe. I just pulled a new try out of the oven and it's quite acceptable.
 
 
# oldnat 2012-09-13 23:44
I'm not eating your scone. It's FOREIGN! and Maitland tells me I mustn't. (I'm going to have to starve , next time I venture furth of Scotland.)
 
 
# D_A_N 2012-09-14 12:35
It's spelled whisky if it's Scottish.

Otherwise it often has an E
 
 
# call me dave 2012-09-13 21:14
Hmm!
I buy Mackie's ice cream because it is a Scottish brand and because it's good quality too.

I would prefer it if the company was more positive about independence whether or not Mr Mackie is a Lib/Dem doesn't bother me either although I think that it's a little misguided.

I hope I will continue to enjoy my Mackie's ice cream in an independent Scotland.
 
 
# bigbuachaille 2012-09-13 21:14
Merci, M. Maitland Mackie, you might just well have said,"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche."
 
 
# Fungus 2012-09-13 21:15
Damn it, I love Mackies ice cream...just have to learn to live without it I suppose.
 
 
# nchanter 2012-09-13 21:33
Quoting Fungus:
Damn it, I love Mackies ice cream...just have to learn to live without it I suppose.

Yes looks like I will lose a few pounds now thanks Mait for the insentive.
 
 
# mutterings 2012-09-13 21:22
Mackie's ice-cream is quality. It's the only ice-cream I used to buy. Now I have an ice-cream maker and I dare say my vanilla ice-cream is even better. Just as well!
 
 
# From The Suburbs 2012-09-13 21:27
I thought the Lib Dems were enthusiastic about the single European market or does that not apply to Scotland?

I used to enjoy Mackie's Ice Cream but since Maitland's last anti independence remark I now make my own ice cream just as good and cheaper.
 
 
# Breeks 2012-09-13 21:36
Being 'foreign' hasn't exactly hurt Häagen-Dazs establishing a name for itself.

I buy Mackies ice cream regularly because it's marketed as a Scottish product. Strikes me as a little hypocritical if that's Mr Mackie's attitude towards Scotland itself.

Oh well, perhaps it's time to start browsing around the deep freeze. It's only fair I suppose, I wouldn't want to develop a parochial outlook over my ice cream would I?
 
 
# oldnat 2012-09-13 22:04
Worth remembering that the people who actually make the ice cream probably vote SNP.
 
 
# clootie 2012-09-13 23:34
oldnat

Wise words as always - I was about to snub the product!
One idiot shouldn't be allowed to create a Ratner moment for the company.
 
 
# Soloman 2012-09-13 21:40
Of course other ice cream brands are also available......

grahamsfamilydairy.com/.../...
 
 
# Robabody 2012-09-13 22:34
And very nice it is too Soloman - having just tried a tub for the first time last week-end.

I think Maitland comes from the Menzies Campbell school of liberal democrats - dae as yer telt, we're to wee etc.
 
 
# brusque 2012-09-13 21:55
I will be firing off a strongly worded letter to Mr MacKie.

He has done his business no good at all trying to "politicise" ice-cream for goodness sake!

As mentioned above, I will be switching to Grahams forthwith, I already buy their milk and butter.

Mr MacKie has frozen himself out as far as I'm concerned :-)
 
 
# Jiggsbro 2012-09-13 21:55
Silly man. Are there any Unionists who will start buying Mackies after this story? I doubt it. About as many as there are 'British' (multinational) supermarkets that don't stock goods from foreign companies. Are there any Nationalists who will stop buying it? Plenty, it seems. Epic fail.
 
 
# Soloman 2012-09-13 21:57
From what Mr Mackie is saying it would then stand to reason that we the people in Scotland won't be buying English or Welsh or Irish Ice Cream. What's his knowledge of Cheese? No more Red Leicester.............
 
 
# WRH2 2012-09-13 21:59
Mackie's ice cream is joining my banned list along with Tunnock's caramel biscuits and tea cakes. I don't mind anyone having a different view on Independence as long as they have a sensible and reasoned arguement but this isn't.
You would have thought since 400 out of 500 didn't reply he might just have realised he was being a bit foolish.
 
 
# CapnAndy 2012-09-13 22:01
So! Nobody is going to buy icecream if it's perceived as being foreign. I guess that's 'Haagen Daz' and 'Ben and Jerry' knackered then.
 
 
# setondene 2012-09-13 22:02
Maitland Mackie is the scion of a famous British political family that includes a couple of lords (one liberal, one labour). A member of the British establishment, he is the kind of guy we need to live down as we move into the future.
 
 
# Edna Caine 2012-09-13 22:02
Call me Dave, Fungus -

Free yourself from your slavery to taste conditioning!
Mackies ice-cream panders to the modern taste of high-fat, creamy, tongue-coating gunge that popular consumption was steered to by the major conglomerates like Walls, Lyons, etc.

Real ice-cream, based on milk, sugar and cornflour came to Scotland from Italy and is immensely superior to Mr Mackie's product. I am very grateful to our Italian Scot fellow countrymen for this introduction. It is still widely available if you care to give it a go. Look up Soave's or Equi's online or go to your local parlour. (I'd publish links but could get in trouble with the mods for advertising).

I've got to thank Mr Mackie for one of the best laughs I've had for a while -

"buyers in England, Wales and Northern Ireland would refuse to buy Scottish produce because Scotland’s businesses would be viewed as “foreign”

Nobody will eat "foreign", eh? Looks like Rogan Gosh, fillet of beef in black bean sauce, taramasalata, paella, etc. are off the menu, then? Come to think of it, so are Coca-Cola and BigMacs.
 
 
# JRTomlin 2012-09-13 22:46
Actually, many of the the original recipes for ice cream such as you'll find in the 1751 edition of The Art of Cookery made Plain and Easy by Hannah Glasse call for using cream which would have made it a rather rich ice cream by our standards.
 
 
# Edna Caine 2012-09-13 23:28
Hannah Glasse was a fraud who died a fat pauper.

She was never a professional cook but, rather, an attention-seeking adherent of fashionable Covent Garden society in the early 18th century.

It is doubtful that she even wrote the cookery book that bears her name. If she did, she is also a racist - 'If gentlemen will have French cooks, they must pay for French tricks'. Sounds a bit like Mr Mackie's approach, no?

Give me good old Scots-Italian ice-cream anytime. Il gelato migliore!
 
 
# call me dave 2012-09-14 01:42
I agree you have a point having enjoyed, in my younger years, fine ice cream from two local cafes/ shops both from Italian families Divito and Macari.

I use to repair and recharge their refrigeration plants in the distant past.

Happy days.
 
 
# JRTomlin 2012-09-14 04:39
Who cares who actually wrote it? And it would be a little surprising if whoever wrote it didn't share the prejudice of the day.

The point is that the British and American recipes of the period show that cream was normally used in early ice cream. There are several American cookbooks of about the same period that show the same thing. :-)
 
 
# .Scot 2012-09-13 22:07
Course we all know that the English refuse to buy French, German & Japanese Cars? Even an American Ford or Vauxhall would send them to Coventry!

And the English would never touch anything so crass as an American owned Kraft Co Mars Bar or Cadbury's Dairy milk?

Please tell us that the independence debates are going to get better than Nigel Farage invited onto our Scottish BBC TV to give us his bigoted views of Europeans.

Or Tory Councillor David Meikle thinking that Scots are too stunted, uneducated and poverty stricken to run nationalised education, Legal system, NHS or benefits agency? Meikle claims London MUST rule Scots or the sky will fall in on us.

There is a condition from eating to much Ice cream called "Brain-Freeze!" Would I be unkind in suggesting Mr Mackie has been over......
 
 
# wee folding bike 2012-09-13 22:09
Aldi stock Strachan's ice cream which is also made in Scotland. I'll continue to get that rather than Mr Mackie's product.
 
 
# Lintie 2012-09-13 22:22
I think Mr Mackie is having a "Ratners" moment. He says: "buyers in the rest of the United Kingdom would consider all Scottish businesses to be foreign". Really? Of course, the consumers of England are well known for their aversion to buying anything foreign, that's why their roads, for example are teeming with English cars.

As for all things Scottish being "foreign", he might remember that our own Scottish currency has, for generations, been considered "foreign" by English shopkeepers. Somebody in the boardroom should kick his chair to wake him up.
 
 
# oldnat 2012-09-13 22:25
And no one in England will ever buy whisky again!

Does anyone in Aberdeenshire know what kind of car, Mackie currently drives?
 
 
# bigbuachaille 2012-09-13 22:23
The advantage of Mr Mackie's pronouncement is that we now all have a clear idea of what the toffs did for us in 1707.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-09-13 22:36
Mr Mackie has been well and truely debunked in these cclumns.
 
 
# xyz 2012-09-13 22:37
Hmm, a man with no confidence in his product and strictly no ambition for the people of Scotland.
 
 
# ally 2012-09-13 22:38
He's right. They stopped serving up Guiness in Scottish, English and Welsh bars because of the same reason. I love it, "responding to survery organised by himself" Made me laugh!
 
 
# mealer 2012-09-13 22:42
High risk by Mr Mackie.If Scotland does choose independence,hi s brand will be forever tainted as "anti_Scottish".
 
 
# Dcanmore 2012-09-13 22:52
It is sad and rather odd that Mr Mackie makes such claims. But he does so because his rant is fuelled by angered bias. We will be no more foreign than Ireland quite frankly. I do like his ice cream products very much but I now live in London and I've never seen Mackie's ice cream in the supermarkets down here.

Scotland exports world class food and drink around the world and will continue to do so after independence. By the way, I'll give a big shout to Cream O' Galloway Ice Cream from my part of Scotland, quite simply the best ice cream and frozen yoghurt I've ever tasted ... and you can get it in London!

www.creamogalloway.co.uk/
 
 
# Drew1314 2012-09-14 08:08
@Dcanmore

Living in the Stewartry, not too far from Cream of Galloway, I must point out that the founder of the Company is a serial letter writer to the Galloway News AGAINST Independence. His favourite subject - "The Darien Scheme".

What is it about ice cream makers?
 
 
# Dcanmore 2012-09-14 08:52
Ah well, farmers together I suppose. Historically they're the local Tory voters and no doubt bestest friends with Alex Fergusson (another farmer). They tend to be decent people of the old school affable 1950s Tory type, but also just as out of touch. But then they do love their subsidies. At least with the Galloway News his preaching doesn't go very far.

Still love the ice cream though!
 
 
# isleofskye 2012-09-13 22:53
Here's a link to the survey, surveymonkey.com/.../..., which I received as a food production business. The 500 mailing list most likely came from the Scotland Food and Drink website. No wonder so few responses though - talk about leading questions. And, strangely enough my pro-independence comments weren't disseminated!

This survey seeks the opinion of the Scottish food industry on the effect on their businesses of Scotland becoming an independent sovereign nation, and in particular their then being regarded as foreigners in the rest of the United Kingdom, i.e in 90% of its current home market.

Maitland Mackie is deeply alarmed over the on-going pursuit for Scottish Independence and particularly concerned about the implications of independence for the Scottish food industry. This is his survey of opinion within the Scottish food sector.

Please do take the time to give your opinion for it is a crucial matter for the country.Q1. Recognising that given independence, buyers in the rest of the United Kingdom would consider all Scottish businesses to be foreign, the overall impact of an independent Scotland for Scottish food businesses will be - Please tick as appropriate
Recognising that given independence, buyers in the rest of the United Kingdom would consider all Scottish businesses to be foreign, the overall impact of an independent Scotland for Scottish food businesses will be -
Please tick as appropriate
Hugely Advantageous
Advantageous
Neutral
Disadvantageous
Hugely Disadvantageous
No Opinion
Comment - Please add any further comments on the effects of independence in general but in particular on the "foreigner" effect for Scottish food and drink businesses.
 
 
# isleofskye 2012-09-13 23:25
[quote name="JRTomlin"]"There are/must be some, but I have not yet found a business person supportive of full independence for Scotland."

Funny he didn't release any of the 'erudite' comments he received! He did suggest that he would do so. "So far 60 businesses have responded (thank you!), a goodly number who having taken the time to make interesting (even erudite) comment exploring both sides of the "to be or not to be" question. I will be summarising and reporting on these comments in due course, along with the statistics generated".

Not quite in Jim McColl's league but here was my response to Maitland Mackie...
Scotland's food and drink sector already has a natural advantage in the UK market, as well as globally, by virtue of its reputation for a clean green and natural environment. Why would this change? Independence would only augment this. The majority of visitors to this area (Highlands and Islands) are from the UK; the majority of my sales are from UK customers.


I have had great respect for you over the years, Maitland, as someone with innate down-to-earthness and a tireless innovator. In this case, however, I find it hard to understand your seemingly visceral hostility to an independent Scotland, and that you do not seem to acknowledge the huge strides made by the (SNP) Scottish Government, and especially the efforts of Richard Lochhead to engage with industry, to establish the first ever National Food Policy for Scotland.

In 2011, Scotland's food and drink exports broke the £1 billion mark for the first time. Combined food and drink exports reached an all-time high of £4.5 billion with the top market for food and drink exports being France, followed by USA, Spain, Singapore and Germany. See newsnetscotland.com/.../....

Plenty of opportunities there surely. Indeed, Mackie's of Scotland has reportedly benefited from £0.5m investment by the Scottish government to move into the crisp market in 2009 (achieving £700,000 of overseas sales in the first year).

Official Scottish Government figures indicate that, with independence, Scotland would climb to sixth position in the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development’s (OECD) wealth per capita league table – where the UK is currently ranked sixteenth.

I'm sure you feel you have thought long and hard about how an independent Scotland would affect your business, but would hope that you are open to all sides of the argument, and would respectfully point you to www.newsnetscotland.net to gain a new perspective on Scotland's opportunities as an independent nation.

You say 'I have not yet found a business person supportive of full independence for Scotland'. I, for one, am completely supportive of full independence for Scotland, and am happy to put my head above the parapet.
 
 
# smallwhitebear 2012-09-13 22:54
Did he not consider that 80% of businesses did not respond simply because of his naysayer, Unionist views?

Mackie's crisps are supposedly doing well in Malaysia and Singapore,obvio usly they do not yet realise that the crisps are "made in Scotland" and that MACKIE'S IS A FOREIGN company...

My God, on a personal note, I didn't realise French wine was FOREIGN!! Eek! I'll have to cross that one off the list...
 
 
# Early Ball 2012-09-13 22:59
OT Interesting stuff from John McAllion
bellacaledonia.org.uk/.../...
 
 
# tartanfever 2012-09-14 05:40
You do realise that article is well over a year old ?
 
 
# naemairleesplease 2012-09-13 23:03
Total BS. Does he think we're as stupid as he sounds? Hopefully the MSM will run this and inadvertently drive another nail into the unionist coffin.
Cheers Mait!
 
 
# John Lyons 2012-09-14 12:35
Please please please!!!! Get this Bampot on Newsnight Scotland and Scotland tonight. I'd love to see another unionist frothing at the mouth an making a fool of himself!
 
 
# DonUnder 2012-09-13 23:14
Is he any relation to former Dons striker Darren Mackie? I can see the family resemblance, what with them both missing the target in spectacular fashion.
 
 
# oldnat 2012-09-13 23:19
Meanwhile, in this interview, Mackie's mate Ming Campbell, sounds like he doesn't intend to stand again for Westminster.

scotsman.com/.../...

Doubtless, he doesn't fancy being rejected. (I'm assuming that we will be electing MPs for the last time in 2015 to finalise the process of independence).
 
 
# Roll_On_2011 2012-09-13 23:34
NNS why do you not add a ‘relative’ link to this article to show what an out of touch dip-stick Mackie really is.

Scottish food and drink export targets:

newsnetscotland.com/.../...

Scottish food and drink could soon rival oil and gas as the nation's greatest export, according to new targets set today.
With the industry booming, the aim is to grow the value of food and drink sent abroad to £7.1 billion in just five years. Oil and gas exports are currently worth £7.6 billion.

The new targets, set by Scotland Food and Drink, were unveiled during Scottish Food and Drink Fortnight and at a time when the sector is booming with a growing appetite for Scottish produce overseas.

Markets such as the Middle East and China are growing particularly strongly and Scotland Food and Drink, working with Scottish Development International, is building a network of representatives abroad to ensure the growth target is delivered.

Scotland Food and Drink Chief Executive James Withers said:

"Food and drink is now Scotland’s fastest growing export sector.


Food and drink is now Scotland’s fastest growing export sector Johny Foreigner indeed.

.
 
 
# Old Smokey 2012-09-13 23:35
It should be noted that Mackies have a facebook page, would recommend some sailent comments on it
 
 
# Barontorc 2012-09-13 23:44
Aye, aye, - often licked , but never beaten eh? Mackies Ice Cream hits the rocks - 10 out of 10 for enthusiastic loyalty, 1 out of ten for business perspicacity and zilch, God help us, for still being a Lib-Dem supporter.
 
 
# Angry_Weegie 2012-09-13 23:51
I gave up eating Mackies after his last rant, just like Tunnocks. I just don't see the point in adding to the profits of someone who has absolutely no faith in his own country.

I thought it would be a bit difficult as I used to buy Mackies ice cream (Scottish and quite good) and Tunnocks tea cakes and caramel wafers (Scottish and very good). However, it's been easier than I thought as I've found other, better ice creams, including those mentioned above, and better biscuits (or at least less fattening).

BTW, please don't tell me if Border Biscuits are anti-independence.
 
 
# Old Smokey 2012-09-13 23:52
I have read what that idiot has put out and frankly Im amazed that he can run a business. Perhaps his business isnt going that well as it is. Not sure what other reason can be for such idiotic bias. For my personal taste in ice cream is has to be Ben and Jerry's - oh but thats 'foreign'
 
 
# CharlieObrien 2012-09-14 00:36
I think this man(!)has got a personal gripe,and is still fighting a PARTY POLITICAL campaign,he has not yet realised that it is not about party but about nationhood.
 
 
# oldfoggie 2012-09-14 01:13
OT Hi I am currently in Oz holiday but hear that last nights newnight was a great show, can anyone post a copy of it on here as cannot get on BBC, much appreciated if possible, I will be home the end of the month but miss my newsnight. sorry about this post Ed.
 
 
# redcliffe 2012-09-14 03:05
old foggie, if here long term in oz be aware it is easy to get scottish tv in oz, i have 20 uk channels here inc. stv and bbc and ulster and itv 1 to 4 and etc.......
 
 
# K Mackay 2012-09-14 04:19
If anyone fancies some uplifting reading www.scotland.gov.uk/.../4 only given it a quick skim but it looks pretty good to me. It's the Scottish social attitudes survey from 2011 (sorry if this is old news) Support for and faith in the Scottish government appears to be rising dramatically across the board, think I'm seeing why the unionists wanted to force an early referendum, from my untrained look at the results here broken down by party loyalty I'd say they probably want it to be taken about six years ago, since then it seems there are now more than 50% of people in every party breakdown who feel the Scottish government gives ordinary people more say in how Scotland is run, trust in UK government has plummeted (unsurprisingly ) Don't want to speak too soon but it's made me pretty upbeat for the referendum. going to give it a proper read tomorrow, it is 5am, sorry for the ramble.
 
 
# Jim Johnston 2012-09-14 06:25
What an astonishingly dumb thing for any businessman to do. It's one thing to be an active supporter of anything, ..... but to cut your own throat to try and make a point is plain stupid.

How is Mr Mackie going to feel if, like his survey, he sees 80% of his customers responding by ignoring his product ???.

Truely dumb move.
 
 
# Big Eye 2012-09-14 06:35
We should all remember Mr Mackie helped make the Liberal Democrats what they are today!
 
 
# Alba4Eva 2012-09-14 06:41
So no Mackies and no Tunnocks... These unionists have done almost as much for health in Scotland as Nicola Sturgeon. ;)
 
 
# Leader of the Pack 2012-09-14 06:42
I wonder how he would feel if Nats boycotted his products based on his anti Independence stance? How would he be able to spin that? What a clown! By taking an anti Independence stance and making himself political he risks the very fears he's highlighted! You have to be a Lib Dem to be this stupid!
 
 
# UpSpake 2012-09-14 06:43
Scottish produce is up there with the best of the best. Try living abroad for a number of years and see the calibre of our products when ranked against local produce. Scotland's products sell at a premium for just such a qaulity image.
Go get a life Mr. Mackie. If your Ice-Cream is world class then there will always be a demand for it. If it ain't then is masqurading as something it is not and therefore - won't sell.
An independent Scotland with its own currency will make it a bit harder for us to export due to the currency premium we would have to accommodate. However, such a situation does not hurt other countries in similar circumstances so you'll just have to overcome your small minded mentality if you wish to succeed abroad.
 
 
# Leader of the Pack 2012-09-14 08:38
Currency premium?
 
 
# Bambi 2012-09-14 07:17
It's interesting that those purveyors of what might be called 'dependence' comfort foods (ice cream, crisps, chocolate biscuits/cakes)are the ones with misgivings about independence. As well as Mackie's & Tunnock's, didn't the heid yin of Barr's have a pop at independence? I sense a similar outlook to SLAB, fear of losing conrol of their client demographic.
 
 
# Alibi 2012-09-14 07:17
Mr Mackie is talking mince. People will always want to buy quality produce no matter where it comes from. That includes his own firm's ice cream, which is quite good IMHO although not as good as Cream of Galloway or indeed the lesser know products from Drummuir, near Dumfries (their rhubarb & ginger is amazing, as is the peanut butter flavour). Mackie has an agenda, let's just leave it at that.
 
 
# Soloman 2012-09-14 07:46
Scottish Salmon!
No more exports, no more supermarket sales!

Back to tinned salmon...........

Scottish Beef!

Never mind we all have access to Fray Bentos!!
 
 
# Alba4Eva 2012-09-14 13:24
Access to Fray Bentos?

...You ever tried opening one of them?
 
 
# Soloman 2012-09-14 23:21
Yeah although it was about 30 years ago....
 
 
# Ken Mac 2012-09-14 07:52
Mr Mackie appears to be a bit of a nutter. What is reproduced below is from his own company's website.Apparently he has no problem selling his wares to 'foreign' countries like India and South Korea but the rUK is going to be a no go area for him. Nuts.

Going Global

Mackie’s company vision includes the aim to make Mackie’s a global brand and to have fun. Export activity delivers on both fronts - we enjoy meeting the people and selling our products in new places. Mackie’s have been exporting ice cream to South Korea since 2002 and now have ice cream available in several parts of the world including Southern Ireland, United Arab Emirates and India. Mackie’s crisps have created fresh interest in other countries and we have interest from Dubai, United Arab Emirates, Japan, Hong Kong, China and the United States. You might come across our products in some other European countries but that will have been shipped there via one of our UK customers.
 
 
# John Lyons 2012-09-14 12:54
Where is Southern Ireland? Can he not even bring himself to admit that Ireland is an independant country and chose to get out of this union a long time ago?
 
 
# Dcanmore 2012-09-15 11:12
It shows his 1950s out of touch thinking.
 
 
# Diabloandco 2012-09-14 08:20
I'd love to say I'd do a Tunnocks on Mackies but I don't buy it anyway.
I must admit I miss Tunnocks T cakes but I continue my personal boycott at huge personal cost!
 
 
# sneckedagain 2012-09-14 08:37
Sad and stupid.
 
 
# independentgirl 2012-09-14 08:47
I don't eat ice-cream so I don't buy it very often, but when I do, I usually buy Mackie's but no more! It pains me to do this because I try as much as possible buy Scottish produce in order to support our producers. I dare say there will be a lot of people who agree with me.
 
 
# GrassyKnollington 2012-09-14 09:02
Ah the Maitlands, Farquhars, Crawfords and Tophers. Where would we be without them and their tartan trews, rubescent coupons while they give the address to the Haggi, golf anecdotes and hardline unionism?

If we're not careful they could go the way of the wildcat.
 
 
# Chateaulait 57 2012-09-14 09:14
Not really much more i can add that hasn't already been said about this sad and misguided mans rant, apart from reminding him that from before the ink was dry on the union of parliament treaty in 1707 up to the present day, the English have and always will view us as foreigners.
 
 
# Embradon 2012-09-14 09:26
Hmm. Up till now I have bought it because I like it.

Now I will be looking for another equally good Scottish product.

Self fulfilling prophesy Mr RatnerMackie.
 
 
# iReferee 2012-09-14 09:30
Don't like the stuff, too milky and a bit flavourless. Can sometimes be a bit icey. The local ice cream shop makes better stuff on site and certainly more deserving of my money.

Wonder if Maitland only buys products produced in scotland?

Should also add that when you live near Varani's Forum Cafe, Kilmarnock you don't need any other ice cream.

Also, do we think Maitland is angling for that elusive Lordship
 
 
# jim288 2012-09-14 09:49
Maitland is becoming more and more prone to bizarre eccentric utterances with his passing years.

I live in Aberdeenshire and even the Press & Journal which is usually quick to publish Maitland's views seems to have ignored this one.

A Ratner moment. His foolishness exposed for all to see. He is becoming a figure of ridicule rather than respect.
 
 
# Leswil 2012-09-14 10:05
My wife is just off on her weekly shop, anything Mackies is now off her list.

This guy should have just said that he was against Independence rather than down Scottish companies as being too weak to compete in an Independent Scotland. He obviously has a Unionist view that HIS interests MAY be effected, stuff that Scots want more powers for our people.

This has been the line of very many before him, self interest is of course paramount.

Throw in his family history which includes Lords and it is easy to see why he has said it. Just a little part of the Unionist PROPAGANDA machine.
 
 
# Arraniki 2012-09-14 10:18
In a very competitive market I could recommend the traditional dairy ice cream produced on the island by Arran Dairies, another independent family business. Yum.

see here:
www.taste-of-arran.co.uk/.../
 
 
# Diabloandco 2012-09-14 18:55
Good stuff indeed!
 
 
# Training Day 2012-09-14 10:39
All this mockery. Ah, 'twas ever the lot of the prophet without honour in his own land.

Will no one else recognise that Maitland is a visionary? He is one of the UK's first 'Doomsday Preppers', equipped with the foresight to lead his small band of followers (aka Lib Dems) to stock up on ice cream, tea cakes and Ultimo bras and hunker down in their specially constructed bunkers and ride out the coming independence apocalypse. Should any of the crazed nat zombies outside the bunker attempt to enter, Maitland will fling Chardonnay (a foreign substance) in their faces and watch them melt. It burns! It burns!

Others may mock, but Maitland will survive and have the last laugh!
 
 
# Wullie B 2012-09-14 10:50
Rizzas of Huntly way better icecream but just to show I am not biased , I like Cornish Icecream we get in local coop , cant abide MAckies although I do still have to purchase a Tunnocks product for my three year old son he loves the caramel wafers and how would I be able to say no to him
 
 
# Caadfael 2012-09-14 10:57
Mackies of North Britain?
HMmmm, might as well use both barrels!
 
 
# Wee-Scamp 2012-09-14 11:38
I have a feeling that Baxter's, Walkers and others wouldn't agree with him.
 
 
# davemsc 2012-09-14 11:52
Just thought I'd be as well emailing this to Mackie's company via their website:

"To whom it may concern,

I wish to register my displeasure at Mr. Mackie's somewhat surprising outburst regarding Scottish independence. He seems to have based his opinion on absolutely no evidence whatsoever, and his risible attempt at conducting a research exercise seems to have been a gross error of judgement.

I, for one, support Scottish independence, and I see no evidence to suggest a reduction in Scottish produce being sold in any other part of these islands; indeed, the food and drinks industry is booming at a time of recession, which is something Mr. Mackie seems to have overlooked.

It is regretful, therefore, that I must inform Mackie's that I will no longer be buying their products, until such time as Scotland is independent or Mr. Mackie starts to see some sense."
 
 
# ButeHouse 2012-09-14 12:04
Clearly Mr Mackie is more successful at ice cream making than he is a selling himself politically.

A survey which is ignored by 80% of the recipients and then only garners 71% support is not exactly a major plank of support for your cause, no matter how you try to spin it.

He might be applauded by the ailing NO Campaigners but he leaves the rest of the country as cold to his ideas as the fridges he keeps his ice cream in.

Doesn't know any other business execs who support Independence?

You need to get out more Mr Mackie.

I always buy Scottish but Mackie's Ice Cream will join Tunnocks on the 'not today' list.


YES
 
 
# hiorta 2012-09-14 12:56
A lot of fun with this excited post.
Might MM (Maitland Mackie) meet MM (Michelle Mone) as their bullock carts head south or has the second MM already left as promised if Devolution arrived?
 
 
# Diabloandco 2012-09-14 13:14
After reading this I think I can probably write the next "article" by A.Cochrane.

"Scots Businesses Warn Salmond that Hell and Scotland Will Freeze Over If Scots Vote for Independence."
 
 
# balbeggie 2012-09-14 13:51
if that is the case we won't need a freezer for his ice-cream, will save energy costs too.
 
 
# proudscot 2012-09-14 13:15
No doubt Messrs. Mackie and Tunnock will now be invited to air their anti-independence views before Ian Davidson's Separashun Committee.
 
 
# Suomi 2012-09-14 13:44
So a biased question sent to a sample of 500 (selected by Mr Mackie) resulted in 80% not responding.The responses (around 20% showed that +5.5% of his total sample either disagreed with Mr Mackie,or were neutral.Thus less than 20% of his total sample agreed with him.I think that there are a lot of methodoligal issues with this survey and that the support for his conclusion is weak.
 
 
# brusque 2012-09-14 13:46
I wonder if Kelly's of Cornwall are thinking of following MacKie's lead?

I can't believe that all he has managed - so far - to do, is talk down his own business! Hell hath no fury like a Unionist scorned...........and MacKie is being scorned big time with this.
 
 
# Arraniki 2012-09-14 13:54
Pace
Diabloandco 2012-09-14 14:14
After reading this I think I can probably write the next "article" by A.Cochrane.

"Scots Businesses Warn Salmond that Hell and Scotland Will Freeze Over If Scots Vote for Independence."


But then we have this latest news nugget:

"BoE today advertising senior post in its Agency for Scotland".

Now just why would they want to do that?
 
 
# rob4i 2012-09-14 15:14
Mackie, a blindingly typical Unionist with his self-serving capitalist greed,thinking it will affect his business to its detriment so is willing to denigrate his own country to secure the status quo, and to hell with his fellow countrymen!

I have a feeling that his ill-advised remarks will come back to haunt him,...GOOD!
 
 
# Rabbie 2012-09-14 15:43
Daes he still bide wi his mither an faither?
 
 
# Peter A Bell 2012-09-14 16:38
The only thing I can take from this is that Mr Mackie has little or no confidence in his own ability to manage his business in changing conditions.

At the very least he needs to grow up a bit and realise that neither the people of Scotland nor their democratically elected government exist solely or even primarily to serve his personal convenience. If he was half the businessman he seems to imagine himself to be then he would welcome the challenge of exploring new opportunities after independence. Alternatively, he could step aside and leave the task to someone with a more enterprising spirit.
 
 
# rob4i 2012-09-14 16:49
Peter A Bell, Nice one!
 
 
# km 2012-09-14 16:58
I like Mackie's ice cream, and I'm sure it will taste even better after independence. Mr Mackie has to ask himself why we had to wait until Alex Salmond as First Minister was able to get the agreements with the Chinese - did we see any effort or success by the British Government to obtain such status for Scottish food and drink in all the years before that? Of course we didn't! I believe that an independent Scotland would create an increased market for all Scottish products and produce, and I reckon Mr Mackie would have to invest in more churns.
 
 
# Roll_On_2011 2012-09-14 18:30
OT

I see that Ian whats-his-name has been at again:

tattie-scones.blogspot.co.uk/.../...

“ In a bizarre outburst during Scottish Question Time in the House of Commons, Labour MP Ian Davidson has called for Nationalist politicians to be removed from any connection to Glasgow's Commonwealth Games. Nationalist politicians make up more than half the elected representation of the Scottish Parliament and have more councillors than any other party. The SNP is also by far the biggest political party in Scotland. “

What a complete and utter Neep Davidson is.
 
 
# oldnat 2012-09-14 20:42
I just assumed that since Davidson is so much of a nationalist himself - just not a Scots one, that he meant that he should be precluded from opening his own mouth on the topic of the Commonwealth Games.

I'd endorse that - and suggest that he should keep his mouth shut on all issues.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-09-14 18:53
An article has appeared in the Herald rebutting Mr Whippies rantings.
 
 
# Alibi 2012-09-14 19:15
Mr Mackie claims he doesn't know any businessmen who support independence.

Hello Mr Mackie. I have my own business and I am in favour of independence. I'm Spartacus.

Without thinking too hard, Jim McColl of clyde Blowers will be voting yes. Is that a big enough business figure for you? There are many thousands of others. You need to get out more.
 
 
# cynicalHighlander 2012-09-14 20:37
Andrew Fairlie: Time to talk up Scotland's food industry, not do it down: www.yesscotland.net/.../

Quote:
But Mr Fairlie, who is a member of Yes Scotland's advisory board, described the claims as "nonsensical and bizarre".

He said: "This is a rather silly and potentially damaging assault on what is a high-quality industry currently enjoying great success around the world. This is certainly not a time to be attacking the Scottish food and drink industry - it is a time when we should be talking it up."
 
 
# alanski 2012-09-14 21:27
I've heard this guy's nonsense before and he is rabid in his hatred for independence. This remark however, is bizarre to say the least. Ignore him.
 
 
# peter,aberdeenshire 2012-09-14 21:38
Mitchells milk was always better than his wattery p$$h! He is not sir for nothing and was he not a Lord Lieutenant before?
So of course he is a unionist, but just because he is a knight does not make his views any more relevant than the guy who sweeps the pavements in Inverurie, whoever he or she may be....
 
 
# Caadfael 2012-09-15 11:21
LOL, Blue Oyster Cult "Dont smear the Sweeper"!
 
 
# peter,aberdeenshire 2012-09-15 19:44
Quoting Caadfael:
LOL, Blue Oyster Cult "Dont smear the Sweeper"!


Classic Caadfael!!
 
 
# sneckedagain 2012-09-15 19:02
If you go onto Mackies website there is a box to send him a message on it.

I note on the same site they are remarking on the Japanese sales of Mackies. The Japanese,of course,are not foreign
 
 
# arch50 2012-09-25 17:51
well this man is lucky to stay hear !! all i have to say is if you make something that is good and the people need it will sell and that`s how it is in the world of business no need fairy dust or the like
 

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