By G.A.Ponsonby
The BBC’s reputation has been badly damaged by the shocking revelations surrounding the Jimmy Savile child abuse scandal, according to a new poll.
Carried out on behalf of BBC Radio 5 Live, the poll suggests that trust in the corporation has nosedived and that nearly two thirds of adults in the UK believe that the BBC had suffered lasting damage.

The telephone survey by Comres, on behalf of BBC Radio 5 Live, found that only 45% of respondents now thought the BBC was "trustworthy".  This is in contrast to a poll in 2009 in which 62% of people felt the BBC was a trusted source.

The poll follows fresh revelations that Savile’s reputation caused him to be dropped by the Children in Need Charity.

Reports on SKY news, have revealed that suspicions over the conduct of the former BBC presenter led to him being barred from playing any role in the charity.

Former BBC governor Sir Roger Jones said he found the Jim'll Fix It star's behaviour to be strange, describing him as a "pretty creepy sort of character".

He told Sky News: "There were certain rumours about his behaviour, nothing proven, just allegations.  All that we could do was to make sure that our child protection policies were strong enough to withstand any kind of attack."

He added: "I had no evidence. I'm not someone that would make unwarranted allegations. I'm sure my fellow governors would not have been too pleased to have uncorroborated accusations made.

"As long as my patch was absolutely clear, the charity was clear, that was all I could really do."

The new poll follows shocking allegations that child abuse was carried out on BBC premises under the noses of BBC Chiefs.  Claims of rape and sexual assault followed a controversial decision by the BBC to drop an investigation by a Newsnight team into Savile’s behaviour.

Current BBC Director General George Entwistle has come under fire after it emerged the reasons given by the BBC for the shelving of the Newsnight programme were false.  The BBC is facing claims that it helped cover up allegations that Savile preyed on women and children.

His predecessor, Mark Thompson is also under pressure to address claims that he was indeed aware of the suspicions relating to Savile’s past behaviour at the corporation.  Thompson has insisted he knew nothing of the allegations against Savile.

However, it has emerged that Freedom of Information requests have established that the former BBC head was sent emails alerting him to allegations that Savile had molested minors on BBC premises.


# J Wil 2012-10-29 23:44
BBC will suffer "lasting damage..."

I suppose this will depend whether the great and the good decide that the BBC is too important to be sacrificed on the alter of mere public opinion and also some of the great and the good with it.
# Breeks 2012-10-30 11:11
I don't know J Wil.

The BBC has shrunk from the Wartime 'stiff upper lip' giant which used it's mighty far reaching broadcasts to help the French Resistance take the fight to the Nazis, - to the bloated, top heavy cesspit of biased broadcasting which has turned a blind eye to the loathsome activities of paedophiles it employed throughout 4 decades, and then sought to cover up.

"This is the BBC..."

Just doesn't have the same ring to it.
# Edna Caine 2012-10-29 23:54
And this is as a result of Savile's exposure only.

Wait until the whole truth comes out.
# markola 2012-10-30 08:23
That might never happen
# RoBell 2012-10-30 00:14
I would not trust the BBC to be trust-worthy, impartial or objective further than I could micturate into the wind.
# stewart kellett 2012-10-30 00:32
I don''t think it's just the Savile scandal that will finish any trust the public had in the BBC. I think that their balatent bias in reporting will end up as an other one of it's faults. They don't seem to understand that as liecence payers our children are intitled to protection no matter how big the celebrity is. We also need unbias reporting in order to preserve democracy. When the media tha is funded by the state can't be unbias then we really are in trouble
# balbeggie 2012-10-30 00:33
I don't think the 'Bitter Together's' leaflet on the BBC is going to have the impact they thought they had due to the lurid details seeping out from the BBC.
# Barontorc 2012-10-30 00:50
"...All that we could do was to make sure that our child protection policies were strong enough to withstand any kind of attack."

Backs covered then!
# km 2012-10-30 01:32
If the BBC was a commercial operation, advertisers and sponsors would be withdrawing funding, and it would be bankrupt within a few months. However, with guaranteed income and an establishment that needs it for propaganda purposes, a few scapegoats will be fired or imprisoned, then business as usual.
# an Olaindeach 2012-10-30 05:20
The Savile case is very disturbing indeed and obviously not good for the BBC's reputation. To use it in the Independence debate as an argument why the BBC cannot be trusted on their coverage of that Independence debate, should IMO be avoided. First of all, the undecided in the debate will feel less happy about the BBC anyway and see it less as a benefit of the union.

And what if the present BBC handles the Savile case exemplarily and really clean things up - would that have anything to do with their news coverage?
# Jo Bloggs 2012-10-30 07:32
I think it could affect their news coverage for the good if they were really forced to tackle the moral vacuum at the heart of the organisation. But then I tend to be the sort of person who believes pigs can fly.
# hiorta 2012-10-30 07:34
The welfare of children must be far above political sniping.
# gus1940 2012-10-30 08:53
Last night's Newsnight Scotland was yet another in a long series of disgraceful propaganda exercise.

They quite blatantly stated tthat the way to go for Better Together was 'Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt'.
# RTP 2012-10-30 09:02
I must agree with you the whole program was just a political broadcast for the bitter together,absolu te disgrace.
# Soloman 2012-10-30 09:01
Not only were the 2x Architects of fear and doubt allowed to get their message out but also they had coached the Newsnight presenter who used the mantra during his interview with Bill Kidd.....Eventually I turned it off!
# Wedge Antilles 2012-10-30 09:52
Controller of BBC Scotland Ken Macquarrie has serious questions to answer over his decision to shelve Mark Daly's report into the Hollie Grieg child sex scandal that has been around for decades.

So to me the BBC has been damaged goods long before the stooshie over independence.
# Marga B 2012-10-30 09:56
OT but on the Reding affair: she has announced that she "regrets the interpretation made in Spain of her words" (Spanish):

"Article 4.2 of the Treaty of the European Union is categorical when it states that the Union must respect the fundamental constitutional and political structures and territorial integrity of the Member States whose determination is exclusively theirs. As a result, the EU cannot recognise a unilateral declaration of independence of part of a Member State”.

Latest: EU "deny sending formal reply" to Spain: a formal reply would be to a detailed legal situation, and would come from the President only. EU-land, don't you love it!
# daveniz 2012-10-30 10:59
o/t Brian donohoe has shown he there is no difference between the Tories and labour he has painted the outside of his office building in Irvine purple!
# Mad Jock McMad 2012-10-30 11:09
The BBC is the UK establishment's mouth piece - what does this say about the UK establishment?
# Keef 2012-10-30 11:10
O/T But I thought readers may be pleased to learn that 'call me Dave' is going out of his way to show us the 'benefits' of being in the union.

The fact he is using the taxpayer's money to do it does not seem to phase him one iota.
# Breeks 2012-10-30 11:50
l Trade: Cameron warns of Trade Barriers? Funny, so did Alistair Darling but retreated when pressed in the course of 1 interview.
l Debt and borrowing: Scotland to face higher borrowing costs (why?) Let's see England's borrowing capacity slashed without Scotlands oil.
l Services: 30 years of oil, (we have more but for arguments sake...) was enough to finance the Norwegian Oil fund.
l Resilence to shocks: Iceland recovered from it's financial crisis and turned its deficit into a surplus much faster than the UK has. UK economy was crippled by 'shocks' caused in part by ineffective regulation.
l Currency and monetary policy: Currency determined by foreign bank - Scotlands bouyant economy would be an asset to either system and a loss if it left.
l Finance: More Trade Barriers eh? We Scots own our share of the Bank of England.

So - Still no positive reason to defend the Union, but the hunt goes on...
# Barontorc 2012-10-30 12:37
Keef - it is against European Law for the UK PM to involve himself in the Scottish Referendum.

It is also entirely the responsibility of political parties in Scotland to debate the issues raised by the Referendum. As, is it the sole responsibility of voters who reside in Scotland to vote in the Referendum. It is illegal for political parties from outwith Scotland to seek to involve themselves in the Referendum.

Misuse of UK government servants to provide partial arguments for one side or the other is also illegal, be it for, English, Welsh, Northern Ireland or Scottish only matters.

Prevention from public information of the McCrone Report was and is a seriously illegal move by the Westminster power brokers - a matter, which has yet to be formally challenged by the affected parties in Scotland.

This is becoming all very interesting. Just when the limits of external interference will be formally flagged-up is only a matter of time.
# Ped 2012-10-30 13:58
Keef: I dont know about whether Camerons move is illegal or not (I suspect not though). However, personally I would like to see what he regards as benefits of the Union. So far I havent seen any and this has been going on for a while now. It might make a pleasant change from the constant "ye cannie dea this or that" and "yer all doomed" nonsense.
# RTP 2012-10-30 12:14
O/T but who is going to beliesve this.

Scottish Lib Dems renew no tuition fees pledge The NUS has welcomed the Scottish Lib Dems' pledge Continue reading the main story

Scottish Liberal Democrats have stated that they will not be joining their Westminster colleagues in moving towards support for tuition fees.

The stance of the Scottish Lib Dems was outlined by MSP Liam McArthur who wrote an online article for the National Union of Students (NUS) website.

Student leaders have welcomed the renewed pledge.
# J Wil 2012-10-30 17:08
As I have said before, the LiBDems can say what they like, but they will be in no position to deliver for a considerably long time and they will deserve every second of it.
# rhymer 2012-10-30 12:29
Saville made money for them so as long as the public didn't find out everything else was covered up and lied about. The same is done with the Scottish news and the use of Tory and Labour press releases as if they were actual news reports.
Hide the truth from the viewers, keep the BBC spin and lies going every day, pretend it was just silly mistake, blame others, find a scapegoat and get him/ her to resign. Pretend to be sorry.
# Rafiki 2012-10-30 12:39
BBC -whited sepulchre
# farrochie 2012-10-30 12:53
"Sir Roger said Children In Need was always on “red alert” for child abusers wanting to become involved in the charity.

“We knew that the biggest thing to guard against was the paedophiles. They were just like flies around the honeypot. Not just in the fundraising but also in the distribution of funds,” he said. "

OK, NAME the flies that were around the honeypot! Someone kent who they were. Children in Need must name names.
# Jim Johnston 2012-10-30 13:25
WOT ???
Two thirds of the UK adult population don't trust the BBC !!!, just because of a minor Savile stuchie, taken completely out of context and played up again by those bloody plebs ??

Bit rich old boy, bit bloody orf I say,...set the dogs on them !!.... wot !!!
# Training Day 2012-10-30 13:44
Slightly O/T - a colleague and I have just received the same BBC response to complaints about the QT panel in Easterhouse in which they say 'it is not accurate to characterise the panel as four against one'. Since neither of us did so in our original complaints, is it possible the BBC have lazily prepared a standard issue response? Or that they haven't even read the individual complaints? But that would make them lazy, arrogant and useless..surely not?
# Diabloandco 2012-10-30 16:12
I complained on another issue some time ago.Interestingly someone on NNS posted their response to the complaint they had sent in- no change in the wording but a different "signature" ,so your "lazy,arrogant and useless..." fits the bill nicely.
# bipod 2012-10-30 13:56
O/T I have just read that the Scottish Lib dems have reaffirmed their commitment to free higher education in Scotland. I wonder if they would actually stick to such a commitment if they were in the Scottish gov. It just sounds like weasel words, they are worried about the thrashing they are going to get in the next election in Scotland
# Robabody 2012-10-30 13:58
Interesting conversations at work today regarding the BBC and Savile with people beginning to question why we have a BBC feed to our corporate intranet and BBC24 hour news blasting out in reception. The theme being the BBC could no longer be seen as a trusted source of information having let the children down so badly.

A few people also mentioned going to AlJazeera to get alternative views to the BBC.

Cracks in the dam?
# Glenbuchat 2012-10-30 14:04
Am I alone in finding the Newsnet coverage of the Savile revelations more than a little distasteful?

Yes, we should be asking how responsible organisations such as the BBC were either unaware, or worse, unconcerned, at what was happening. Yes, we should be insisting on full inquiries and rock solid assurances that this will never be repeated.

What no one should be doing is using the suffering of hundreds of victims as an excuse to pursue a wider political agenda against the BBC. Even the choice of photograph betrays a motivation which is an insult to Savile’s victims. You have to search long and hard to find a photo of Savile dressed in the Union flag, someone has gone to the effort to do so.

I would ask: why? In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, I can only surmise that it is a less than subtle attempt to connect these horrible crimes to the Union. Newsnet should seriously look at its editorial policy and apologise for any misjudgement.
# Mad Jock McMad 2012-10-30 14:45
It is actually not that hard to find union flag coated pictures of Saville.

Saville is a cypher of all that is wrong with the Union, he is a metaphor for a Union establishment that turns a blind eye to illegal activities because it suits them. Saville is not a one off, he is an example of just how failed and toxic the Union establishment has become. He is an example of the lies they tell themselves on a daily basis and ask us to believe, an example of what happens when personality becomes the raison d'etre of Government rather than the people's best interests, when politicians and others believe themselves above the law.

A symptom of the sickness in ethics, honesty and integrity which stalks the Halls of Westminster.
# Glenbuchat 2012-10-30 15:19
Many years ago I heard a demented Trot move a motion declaring sexual abuse an issue of "class war" which would end come the revolution. A woman victim of such abuse then spoke and ripped the guy to shreds in the most eloquent and moving terms.

Sexual abuse has nothing to do with class, nationality, nationalism or any political creed. It is a cypher for nothing save its own inherent evil.

Please, please reflect on what you have just said and the crass insensitivity of your comments. The delete button is still avaiable as an honourable option.
# Barontorc 2012-10-30 16:08
Just what the hell are you on about Glenbuchat?

The issue and article is based on the whole role of the BBC; be it through their reaction when the shit hit the fan, their very quick fire cover-up attempts, their virtual condoning of the abuse by ignoring warnings specifically given to them, their closed ears act being so much so, that Sir Rodger and his ilk, felt they could do nothing else but man the barricades, their appalling resistance to confronting the issues laid bare before them - need I go on? - But, no, you try to lay some cheap political point at NNS' door about a photograph of Savile in a union-jack top - crikey! Get a grip and join the real world!

As farrochie says - "..OK, NAME the flies that were around the honeypot! Someone kent who they were. Children in Need must name names."

Just who are the BBC trying to protect from this scandal - it sure ain't the children!
# Mad Jock McMad 2012-10-30 18:44
I will delete, if you delete your inane original post which says more about you than the substantive issues about the BBC, its propaganda role, its turning of the blind eye the article and my post addresses.

Saville is a 'cypher' - a way of converting information into a 'code' that describes both the BBC and the Union Establishment. I am sure you can work out the medical meanings of 'sign' and 'symptom' for yourself. If there any other big words you are having difficulty with, please let me know.
# EphemeralDeception 2012-10-30 19:20
Come on, there is absolutely no need to get personal. This is obviously a topic with emotion. I think Glenbuchat is overreacting but the point that sexual abuse does not need any angle, since it is vile in any context is certainly valid.

However would it not be more productive to state that in this case it seems that an abuse of power has facilitated this crime? Secondly that this has been possible due to the the dire nature prevalent in the hegemony of the British state, which manifests in many ways as Galen10 describes below?

Personally I am for a newsnetscotland forum that treats comments with a degree of latitute otherwise dissenting views will not be posted at all.
# Ped 2012-10-30 16:03
Glenbuchat: No you are not alone with that view. I fully agree with you, it is not a suitable subject.
# Galen10 2012-10-30 16:39
Glenbuchat, it s surely unexceptional, and eminently arguable, that the Savile fiasco and the implications of his actions not just for the national broadcaster, but other public bodies like hospitals where he committed his outrages, speaks directly to the point that there is something rotten deep within the UK as a polity.

If it isn't MP's expenses, its phone hacking. If it isn't Savile's crimes, it's the shameful cover up about the Hillsborough disaster. The list is a long and baleful one, and simply serves to reinforce the belief that many perfectly sensible people (both in Scotland and the wider UK) have that the UK as a state is simply not fit for purpose.

Its creaking, crypto medieval and anachronistic structure needs to be fundamentally reformed. This isn't about jumping on some distasteful opportunistic bandwagon to score political points, it IS about holding a mirror up to the unionist state and establishment an pointing out that they are morally bankrupt.
# tartanpigsy 2012-10-30 18:09
"crypto medieval" somes up exactly why UK PLC is where it is brilliant.

Don't expect Glenbuchat to agree he/she is "crypto medieval" too

For those that don't know there will be a demo/ gathering at PQ Nov 15th, 4pm, moving on to leaflet/ engage the public throughout Central Glasgow that evening

Only positive contributions please, all assistance welcome short time to make this a success
# km 2012-10-30 17:22
The issue with the BBC is the way it has reacted, for decades, in turning a blind eye, dismissing any criticism and complaint, and covering up. That has been demonstrably true in the Savile case, and is also true in many other areas including the independence debate.
# Silverytay 2012-10-30 18:31
Glenbuchet I dont find anything about the newsnet article or the picture of savile in his union flag suit distasteful .
In the 70s and 80s savile was an iconic figure who was often photographed in various union flag outfits .
What I do find distasteful and astounding is the amount of people who are now saying that they knew about or suspected these things about savile .
If the people at children in need suspected enough to keep savile away from children in need then it is fair to assume that the hierarchy at the b.b.c either knew about or suspected savile .
If the hierarchy at the b.b.c knew or suspected and did nothing then they are as guilty as savile and should be charged accordingly by the police .
As the saying goes ignorance of the law is no excuse and I would suggest that the b.b.c were at best ignoring things to suit their own ends .
# From The Suburbs 2012-10-30 14:20
BBC staff cuts in Scotland being discussed at Holyrood.
# thomsor 2012-10-30 15:31
From the Suburbs - Bet the staff who are cut will not be the usual suspects who are anti SNP/Indy.
I never thought I would come to the day when I thought that the demise of the BBC should be terminal.
# Lupus Incomitatus 2012-10-30 18:47
So, reduce the BBC Scotland News to a skeleton, run it all from London and the referendum will be 24/7 anti rediffusion.

Just like what will happen to Holyrood should the YES vote fail. Holyrood will be reduced to a parish council.
# Angus 2012-10-31 10:30
There is nothing new in BBC misinformation and propaganda. The Saville case has nothing to do with the lies and manipulation we are bombarded with on a daily basis.
However, what has been exposed since 'Saville-gate' is the lack of morals the BBC management have, and if they can cover up for a Pedo, to save face, they will lie about anything. Its simple, they are not to be trusted. Even if we look at foreign media, which as regards Scotland, often receives biased news from London news agencies, then we can assume that the media is by and large hostile towards Scotland in general and Independence in particular.

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