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  By G.A.Ponsonby
 
A Scottish comedienne who claimed to have been the victim of death threats, made after she appeared on a BBC Radio programme at the weekend, refused to appear on BBC Newsnight Scotland to discuss the issue.
 
Susan Calman is at the centre of a row after claiming to have been the victim of death threats at the hands of pro-independence online critics.

However, despite providing quotes to a pro-Union newspaper making the claims, Newsnet Scotland can reveal she declined to appear on a programme that evening where the matter was discussed.

The death threat claim followed an appearance on a BBC Radio 4 comedy show 'The News Quiz' in which the comedienne poked fun at Scotland and also lampooned First Minister Alex Salmond’s policy on a shared currency.

According to Ms Calman, who has a history of attacking independence in her BBC shows, some listeners reacted by sending her abusive messages.  She has also claimed death threats were made.

The story featured on Newsnight Scotland and also led to an article in the pro-Union newspaper the Scotsman which also claimed the comedienne had suffered "death threats". 

The row has led to claims the attacks are the work of so called 'cybernats', a derogatory term used to describe people who support independence, a claim also levelled by BBC Scotland presenter Gordon Brewer.  Mr Brewer went further last night and claimed the alleged abuse was the "full ire of some pro-independence campaigners".

Yesterday an online comment from the Scotsman, apparently from an administrator, claimed the matter was now sub-judicial, leading to speculation that the matter was under police investigation.  However despite being contacted by Newsnet Scotland, the Scottish police could not find any evidence of a police complaint having been filed.

Newsnet Scotland has also contacted the Procurator Fiscal's office seeking clarification if any complaint is being investigated - we are awaiting a response.

Writing on her own blog, Ms Calman herself cryptically described the death threats as "real or otherwise" and called for them to stop.

Some online commentators have questioned whether death threats were received at all and have asked the comedienne for evidence.  There have also been questions over claims by Ms Calman of "a blog which is pretty abusive towards me", with many people claiming to be unable to find such a blog.

Newsnet Scotland has contacted the Scotsman newspaper asking if they had seen evidence of the death threats.

Ms Calman’s facebook page has since been taken down.

In a tweet to Ms Calman, Newsnet Scotland condemned unequivocally any and all online abuse and threats.  We also asked the comedienne to clarify the nature of the alleged death threats, but have yet to receive a reply. 

We also contacted Ms Calman’s agent who confirmed that her client had been invited to appear on Newsnight Scotland to discuss the issue, but turned down the invitation.

Vivienne Clore said: "Newsnight Scotland invited her to appear on the show and she declined because she doesn't want to make any further comment on the matter at the moment so I really am sorry but I cannot help you."

Ms Calman's agent's reply suggests that the comedienne may well make a further comment at a later date.

Some BBC personalities have come out in support of the comedienne, include Kaye Adams.  Ms Adams who is host of Radio Scotland 'Call Kaye', tweeted:

"Chucklebum! I have scoured the twitter sphere to tell you you're a funny little thing and I love you!"

The presenter has herself faced criticism with accusations that her morning Radio phone-in show reflects her own pro-Union views.  Earlier this year the BBC admitted that a claim made by the presenter, that anti-English attacks had increased in Scotland, was untrue, but insisted it was not deliberate.

Another to lend his support was impressionist Rory Bremner who told the Times newspaper:

"The tone of this debate is unlike anything I have ever come across before in terms of the menace," he said. "Both sides must take responsibility because the stakes are too high.

"I’ve been quite careful not to take sides but I do not want one of the funniest comedians around to be subjected to intimidation like this.  The majority of Scots have a sense of humour.  We joke about politicians all the time down south.  They should not be off limits.

"We need to have a sense of humour about this.  It is down to party leaders to rein in their shock troops."

However, Mr Bremner's claim not to have taken sides is at odds with comments attributed to him by the Scotsman who quoted the impressionist as saying: "I love the idea of being a separate entity within the whole.  I think independence is an idea whose time has come and gone."

He said he wanted his children to feel Scottish, adding: "But not in an Alex Salmond, independence kind of way…"

Mr Bremner was himself embroiled in a row last year after Newsnet Scotland reported that he was planning a satirical look at the independence referendum.

The comedian angrily denied the story and launched an attack on Newsnet Scotland, tweeting: "Newsnet's not exactly unbiased.  I sent two posts responding to insults and correcting inaccuracies. They published neither."

In January this year, the impressionist also publicly attacked Newsnet Scotland in an interview he gave to Classic FM.

In fact not only did Newsnet Scotland publish all comments received from the impressionist, but he has now confirmed he will appear in a satirical documentary looking at the Scottish referendum to be broadcast later this year.


[Newsnet comment - Newsnet Scotland has always employed a policy of non-abuse when it comes to posting comments.  We do not tolerate abuse and condemn it in whatever form it takes and from wherever it originates – we close the accounts of persistent offenders.

We do not know what abuse Ms Calman suffered, but the level of media profile afforded her claims has elevated this story to a level that makes it incumbent on all to investigate both the veracity of the claims and, if they are true, the source of the threats. 

If death threats have indeed been made then those responsible need to be pursued with the full weight of the law, the referendum debate requires nothing less.  Such serious allegations must also be accompanied by proof and requests for proof must not in themselves be dismissed as 'attacks'.

Newsnight Scotland has now covered this issue twice, with presenter Gordon Brewer himself levelling very serious allegations that pro-independence 'campaigners' are responsible for the threats.  BBC Scotland must now provide proof to back up this claim from a senior presenter.

Abuse comes from both sides in this debate and vitriolic exchanges are to be seen not just in Scotland but wherever there is allowed free and open discourse.  However in Scotland, we see a filter adopted when it comes to online abuse with pro-Union examples rarely if ever commented upon by our Unionist dominated media.

Indeed, much of the inappropriate comment from Unionists comes, not from anonymous individuals, but from elected representatives.  SNP and independence supporters have been described as 'swive eyed anti-English bigots'.  Scots have been accused of commemorating Bannockburn because hundreds of thousands of English people were murdered.   Alex Salmond has been subjected to levels of abuse that are off the scale.  Even the BBC is not immune from the gratuitous 'nat bashing' with Douglas Fraser recently comparing the SNP to the dictatorial regime in North Korea.

There is also an insidious and very unhealthy 'Jock Bashing' agenda creeping into BBC broadcasts that was exemplified this weekend by 'Have I Got News For You', where Scottish culture was insulted and Scots denigrated as "tramps". 

This xenophobic culture prevalent within the BBC needs to be exposed and condemned.  Thus far a blind eye is being turned to one side in this examination of those who post and broadcast extreme and obnoxious views.]

Comments  

 
# clootie 2013-05-02 23:02
Ms Calman - You have every right to be a unionist. Please do not allow yourself to be used by the unionists.
 
 
# Ysabelle 2013-05-02 23:14
According to Twitter, she's just closed her account there 'for the sake of her sanity'.

I'd honestly never heard of her before.
 
 
# fittie 2013-05-02 23:51
A strange newsnight last night ---Gordon Brewer showed a blog purporting to show comments but I couldn`t read it .
But when he mentioned adverse comments to Susan he quoted "talking down Scotland " and "traitor" but left out "death threats "is the BBC back peddling .
 
 
# Robabody 2013-05-02 23:52
Very well put Newsnet. Now M/s Calman, it would appear to be time to put the information into the hands of the police. Who did threaten you, when, how etc? And as much as I dislike the tone of your humour, I'd much rather you were up there spouting drivel (and getting yes votes) than some clown was taking a pop at you. So names and details please. Let's get to the bottom of this for your safety and our enlightenment.
 
 
# daveniz 2013-05-02 23:57
I asked for evidence and why the police didn't get phoned? and then the strangest thing happened I got abuse after abuse from unionsts and then the Scotsman banned me for a while! I then asked why it was wrong to ask questions of such accusations of death threats if they were even true why then did susan calman not do what anybody would have done and phone the police! I then got a whole host of unsavoury replies! it seems unionsts will get aggressive and abusive when you question validity of anything they say! you just have to look at unionsts all over Facebook and Twitter to see who the majority of death threats aimed at Alex salmond! why does that never get reported and don't worry anything I see gets reported! also intresting calman has links to the labour party did bettertogether hq not come up with the same stories which clearly isn't true!
 
 
# tartanpigsy 2013-05-03 00:01
It will be interesting to see how this develops. Can the BBC really allow this to just drift away or will they pursue the issue ?

Pressure on the BBC can be maintained by a big turnout at the 2nd Illuminate the Debate rally in 2 weeks time. This is an opportunity where we must come together regardless of differences of opinion in order to highlight the current inadequacies in our media.

There is also a '2nd Bedroom Tax' rally been announced for the same day at 11:30 in George Square so why not get two for the price of one and help raise the numbers at both rallies.

We can be contacted through either of these sites
www.bard2014.com/
www.facebook.com/.../

for the bedroom tax rally
no2bedroomtax.co.uk/
 
 
# BRL 2013-05-03 00:07
This feels like a watershed moment, when facts are required to substantiate complaints and that Scottish independence has now come to a stage of beyond 'jokery', at last and thank goodness for that.

Well done all who have brought this about.
 
 
# Union City Blues 2013-05-03 02:15
I do not agree that Cybernat is a derogatory term. I am a Cybernat and proud. Due to work and family commitments I find it hard of support the Yes campaign as much as I would like. I make a point of spending about an hour a day educating myself on the campaign arguments. I also spend time posting comments on sites like the Herald website. I use this site and Wings over Scotland to give me the knowledge to present counter arguments to the BS found onto many other sites. 2 years ago I was directed to a Hazel Lowrey blog and then found this site and WOS where I found an alternative to the BBC etc. I decided then I had to do my bit to spread the word. Cybernats are a big part of this campaign and we should all be proud to be one.
 
 
# Jamieson 2013-05-03 22:49
I am also a proud cybernat.
 
 
# DonUnder 2013-05-03 04:20
The closing of her Twitter account without one single attempt for her to back up her accusations of bullying is very telling IMO. If she had presented any proof then she would have had the backing of every right thinking nationalist and unionist alike.

I can only conclude that she has either been played by BT or she really a sneaky, underhanded uber-unionist who only wanted to damage the pro-indy camapaign through smear.

Depressing thought either way.
 
 
# ds12 2013-05-03 05:31
Surely if there have been "death threats" then the police have to be involved.They then have to be allowed to investigate and arrest anyone who made such threats.And if there have not been death threats then the law also has to run its course.
 
 
# Davy 2013-05-03 05:42
I kind of get the feeling someone is regreting opening this so-called can of worms.

And I must fully agree with the Admin's comment's at the end of this article the BBC must be exposed for its increasingly one sided approach to the independence debate, its getting worse and there not even trying to hide it.

Vote YES, Vote Scotland.

Alba Gu Brath.
 
 
# James01 2013-05-03 06:24
Seems like the BBC have given more coverage to this story than they did to the Ian Taylor dodgy donation scandal, says it all really. I have yet to see any evidence whatsoever that Calman received any death threats, or indeed abusive comments, but the BBC never let facts get in the way of a good story. Its just an example of them sticking up for one of their own.
 
 
# dafini 2013-05-03 06:47
Yes, needs to be brought to the police if there were death threats.
If there weren't, also!
 
 
# jdman 2013-05-03 07:22
What I find depressing is that if the police find there is no substance to the claims made it will all be swept under the carpet and the matter unsatisfactoril y brushed aside leaving the question unanswered and as most people only remember the last headline, will think no smoke without fire.
but wouldn't it be nice to see Gordon Brewer hoist by his own petard
 
 
# Old Smokey 2013-05-03 07:24
I checked both Ms Calman's Twitter and Facebook pages yesterday, at a time when we were being told that they were taken down by Ms Calman and found no evidence of these so called death threats, in fact I didn't see much of anything on the so called threatening behaviour. There were a couple of comments attacking Calman's stand on attacking Scotland, but nothing more than you would normally find on any blog. The thing I found is that it would have been normally brushed off. But someone some where realised they could make political capital by blowing it up more than it really is. So the story was developed. As I said both Facebook and twitter were available yesterday and have only just been taken off. Lets see how long they stay off. But then again Calman is getting wall to wall coverage, not bad for a rather mediocre comedian.
BBC GMS this morning continuing with the 'story' with an interview with Douglas Alexander, who used every opportunity to blame the SNP
 
 
# Ready to Start 2013-05-03 07:28
Douglas Alexander stoking this up on BBC Radio Scotland this morning calling on Alex Salmond to intervene.

Of course he wasn't asked about "dirty donations" and its links to war criminals.

Nor did he specifically call for CyberBrits to refrain from the outrageous abuse dished out to Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon.
 
 
# proudscot 2013-05-04 17:58
Quoting Ready to Start:
Douglas Alexander stoking this up on BBC Radio Scotland this morning calling on Alex Salmond to intervene.

Of course he wasn't asked about "dirty donations" and its links to war criminals.

Nor did he specifically call for CyberBrits to refrain from the outrageous abuse dished out to Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon.


Pete Wishart came out with a brilliant comment on Wee Dougie's contribution along the lines of - if you call his mobile, you get a voice message saying "please speak after the high moral tone!"
 
 
# Mei 2013-05-03 08:10
I believe that a unionist supporter made death threats against nationalist politicians on the Better Together site last year. The site administrators later removed the offending threats.
Does anybody else remember this?
 
 
# Mairi 2013-05-03 08:59
If you're thinking of the same incident as I am, I recall that the comments were allowed to stand on the Better Together facebook page for something like 2-3 days before they were removed.
 
 
# From The Suburbs 2013-05-03 08:21
Mei

thesun.co.uk/.../...
The Sun 02nd December 2012

Gary Coburn wrote on the Better Together site that he wanted to fire BULLETS at party leaders.

The threat was posted on Thursday — but web bosses at the campaign, run by former Chancellor Alistair Darling, only removed it last night.

An SNP spokesman said: “That the offending post stayed on their page while other posts were edited suggests it was given the OK.

“Alistair Darling must clamp down on this unsavoury element.”

Coburn made the comment in response to an earlier post criticising Nats MSP David Torrance for encouraging SNP members to attend a Better Together talk by ex-PM Gordon Brown.

Referring to the 2014 indy poll he said: “I wish the vote was how many bullets do we get to fire into the SNP leaders.”
 
 
# JimsWife 2013-05-03 08:25
From the other side, where someone politically infamous made a fictitious complaint against my so-called cyberNat husband.

We suffered more than 5 months of constant unprompted visits by the police - at all hours. In all the time that they made these accusations & threats of jail, we never got to see one single shred of evidence that he (or anyone elese) had committed any crime, or that any breach of the Communications Act 2012 had occured.

We were forced to seek legal advice, for which I am so glad that we did. A single letter from our solicitor to the Procurator Fiscal ended the hellish harrassment and threats of prosecution made against every member of my family and even myself.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning any one who makes any form of threat or abuse against any person. What I am requesting is that anyone making accusations, should produce evidence to avoid other families suffering our ignominy.
 
 
# snowthistle 2013-05-03 08:38
I think there is a wider issue here.
Newsnetscotland has a pretty strict moderation and comments policy, it's not popular and quite a few of us complain about it fairly regularly. They have certainly tackled even the slightest hint of abusive comments (some would say in a prety draconian fashion). We often here cries from unionist commentators that the SNP or the Yes campaign need to deal with abusive behavior online.
How can they do that if people refuse to make the abuse and death threats public?
No-one condones abuse or death threats, letting the people who indulge in such things just crawl back under the stone they came from in complete anonymity is not the way to deal with it.
 
 
# Jamie Black 2013-05-03 08:40
This nonsense needs to stop - on both sides. The Independence debate is one that is much more personal than almost any other referendum but that is not an excuse.

The biggest issue I have is annonymous posting on the internet. I know many people completely disagree, but it helps breed a culture where people post comments without being able to be held accountable as well as more devisive tactics.

I would prefer that ALL posters had to use their real name. I would help humanise the debate and make people remember that the conversation you have online you should be able to have face to face.

Would newsnetScotland support a voluntary code which encouraged people to use their real name - I say voluntary because they could not police or verify, but would maybe encourage people to be more considerate and respectful to each other.
 
 
# MAcandroid 2013-05-04 05:28
I am Sparticus !
No - just kidding. I would be happy to change my screen name to my real one - Andy Pearson
Over to you NNS.
 
 
# maisiedotts 2013-05-04 08:27
Whilst that may be a laudable idea - in principle - in fact it can leave posters vulnerable to nutters. For example someone posted a lot about themselves on a newspaper on-line comments over a year or so and I checked him out. I had to warn him that he had inadvertently given access to his home telephone, address etc even the price he paid for his house was listed!! As I said in principle a good idea in practise could be dangerous.
 
 
# Breeks 2013-05-04 09:27
A conversation on line is just the same as a face to face conversation, except the whole world can be listening in with complete anonymity.

Furthermore, once your identity is released, you make it easy for people to 'borrow your clothes' and pass their opinions off as yours. If my online identify is compromised, I can abandon it as a snake shed's it's skin. If my real name is compromised, then it's a problem I am stuck with.

My anonymity defends my name, and my name underwrites my anonymity. If required, I am trackable by my IP address and registration to whatever form I join.

Judge me by what I say, not who I am.

I do respect those who want to use their full name and identity; it's their prerogative, but it doesn't enhance their argument one iota.
 
 
# pomatiaH1 2013-05-03 09:00
It would be interesting to see those messages Rory Bremner said he didn't get published, if NNS still has copies.

Using the word Cybernat is a specific propaganda tool to portray those in favour of Independence as a small, isolated group. What is interesting is they do this even while the SNP Scottish Government has a large overall majority.

The majority of people in Scotland don't watch Newsnight Scotland.
When I've watched Newsnight it is usually the full BBC version which doesn't have the Scotland part in it.
 
 
# Mairi 2013-05-03 09:24
Interestingly, I just read a tweet from Euan Mccolm from 15 hours ago - apparently Susan Colman has blocked him for posting this on his blog: t.co/j9yKT5dLVy

If this is this representative of the "bullying" that she claims to have suffered, it speaks volumes...
 
 
# Abulhaq 2013-05-03 16:08
In effect he is asking us to treat racist slurs with a broad smile. Exactly what Scots have been doing for centuries. All that Jock stuff being sloughed off as fair game. Well enough is enough. The climate has changed since the SNP has been in power, and they do not like it very much. Cheap personal jibes and base stereotyping appear normative in the socalled quality press. If we dished up that kind of dross we would be called anti-English. When we do fight back that is exactly what we are called. Some people do keep strange company.
 
 
# colin8652 2013-05-03 09:38
I feel this whole story can be blamed on the BBC. Their suppresion of positive news surrounding the pro independence side is leading to frustraition in many quarters this was always likely to boil over in to at least verbal conflict.
 
 
# roger 2013-05-03 19:46
Quoting colin8652:
I feel this whole story can be blamed on the BBC. Their suppresion of positive news surrounding the pro independence side is leading to frustraition in many quarters this was always likely to boil over in to at least verbal conflict.

Agreed I feel its the lack of fair and balanced news that's the bigger story, a certain American news network calls themselves fair and balanced when clearly they are not , but the BBC puts even them to shame with their regular disgraceful shameful propaganda dispatches
 
 
# velofello 2013-05-03 09:47
To issue a death threat is completely unacceptable. The person(s) responsible must be identified and duly prosecuted.
It is Ms Calman's duty as a citizen, in the interests of public safety, to report all relevant facts and correspondence on the alleged death threats, to the police.
I trust that Labour's Mr Douglas Alexander, now that he has publically involved himself in her plight, will persuade her of her duty to report all facts to the police to assist their investigation.
 
 
# call me dave 2013-05-03 11:10
I have been listening to her on DAB radio 5X (repeat of the radio 4 version) for the last year.
She is, on occasions, quite funny although not top drawer by any means. Do I criticise, her for wishing to retain the union, yes I do, but only in the usual way for not looking at the facts and figures.

Her last appearance was a bit muted as one of her fellow panelists (obviously in the know , before the story broke) urged, teased, dared and cajoled her on air to 'come clean' and declare how she would vote , immediately after extracting the urine about Scotland and the referendum.
Her response- - Silence`!!

Let's move on.

O/T

A legal challenge to the Scottish government's plans to introduce minimum pricing per unit of alcohol has failed.

bbc.co.uk/.../...
 
 
# balgayboy 2013-05-03 11:29
O/T post: Great news and credit to the SG for trying to improve the much needed direction to try and rid one of Scotland's problems of over indulgence of alcohol. A healthy self esteemed nation with a clear vision to secure a great future for their children and grandchildren is paramount to the the SG and hopefully Independence.
 
 
# Willow 2013-05-03 11:39
What I find strange about the BBC coverage is that they have been banging on about it morning & night for a couple of days on radio Scotland. They have also covered it on Newsnight Scotland, BBC Scotlands main political TV programme, but I don't see anything about it on the BBC website.

If this is such a big story to get all this media coverage & and even a interview from a MP why no on-line coverage?

I find it really odd.
 
 
# rapid 2013-05-03 11:42
This years Edinburgh fringe is going to be quite exciting since I imagine a lot of the small and head liner tourist comedians will have acts based on the theme of Scotland's independence but may well have mis-judged the mood of the country.

I, for one, as a long time fan of stand up comedy will be there for the fireworks. Can't wait.
 
 
# Leal 2013-05-03 11:43
Quoting Mei:
I believe that a unionist supporter made death threats against nationalist politicians on the Better Together site last year. The site administrators later removed the offending threats.
Does anybody else remember this?


Idiotic Statements by Unionist are gathered below.

www.facebook.com/.../

There is a Nationalist version for the Ukanians too.
 
 
# kenneth_clark336 2013-05-03 11:55
The NO camp need to keep this personal. They have nothing else to offer. Hence we are all "cybernats" and the demonic Salmond is trying to drag Scots out of their cosy union with England. It's all nonsense of course, but personalising the issues gives you bogeymen to aim at. A common, popular cause is harder to target, so this tactic won't change. It is a sad indictment of the parties who oppose independence that this is the level they operate at. On a personal note I have had anonymous (obviously) letters to my home in reply to letters I have had printed in the Courier. I am told to shut up and bugger off. There are idiots on both side of this argument I am sure, but the bile pouring from a lot of Better Together supporters makes me cringe. A positive message will win this debate and I for one refuse to be dragged down to their level.
 
 
# Radge 2013-05-03 12:47
I have been following this story quite closely as the original Scotsman article set my BS detectors flashing.

A Twitter search shortly after the story broke rendered no signs of abuse, unless one counts silence as abuse: www.diigo.com/.../59m8

She announced on twitter that she'd had to delete her Facebook page because of abuse, but it's still there and no sign of abuse on it: facebook.com/.../...

Eventually by googling some of the phrases in the Scotsman article,it transpired that the blog being referred to was not about Calman at all, it was about a HIGNFY episode in which she did not appear. However, some commenters had gone on to refer to her appearance on last week's BBC R4 News Quiz. None of the comments can remotely be construed as abusive, merely as crits. There are certainly no death threats: wingsoverscotland.com/.../
 
 
# rickdebrux 2013-05-03 13:16
I see these and other BBC Scotland news reports as a drip drip, feed of negative news regarding the Pro-Independence supporters. Even reporting the minimum price judgement on BBC Reporting Scotland lunchtime bulletin today appeared negative in the reporter's conclusion, saying the Scottish government still has a long way to go in winning this matter. I'm not normally paranoid, but, listening to Radio Scotland, I find the overall coverage of the independence debate is always negative and appear to jump on any report, survey or statement that shows a negative view of the Scottish government and reporting them as headline stories. Only to drop them a day later. I am not impressed.
 
 
# jjmac 2013-05-03 13:47
I have got a horrible feeling that this is just the thin end of the wedge which will be driven in harder and without mercy as polling day approaches.
The British establishment will do anything to maintain the status quo.
If you have any doubts just think of Willie MacRae.
 
 
# Marga B 2013-05-03 15:38
The UK is not alone in seeing attacks on independentists and comparison with terrorism, with establishment support, tacit or otherwise.

Interesting article by El País on a new video shown by the Madrid TV company TeleMadrid about the independentist movements in Spain and their "perversion" of language.

Even if you do not understand the Spanish you can appreciate the symbolism.

cultura.elpais.com/.../...
 
 
# Viking Girl 2013-05-03 15:52
Is Rory Bremner, whom I have hitherto had alot of time for, implying that there are shock troops in the Yes camp? Surely that's what he must mean if he's saying that in defence of Susan Calman, and if he thinks they should be 'reined in' he should say who he thinks should be reining them in. He said to the Times that 'the tone of the debate,' presumably around independence, contains 'menace,' and that he has never come across anything like it. Didn't he hear George Osborne's threatening speeches when he was up here last week? Osborne has the power to carry out his threats, unlike some deluded bloggers hiding in the bloggosphere.
As for Rory, he should read some Scottish History if he wants to find out about menace.
 
 
# thejourneyman 2013-05-03 19:18
From the drive time reports I heard, this whole charade now appears to have BBC reporters very carefully reporting the next episode with any reference to death threats being gradually air brushed out, so to speak. The stench of BS grows stronger by the minute. But the most annoying event in this debacle is hearing wee Dougie Alexander coming on to once again patronize anyone who dares to support a YES vote. He needs to realize God gave him 2 ears and 1 mouth for good reason, and he expected him to use them proportionately . He unashamedly uses this stramash about nothing to tell us we should be talking about our vision for what Scotland can become.
"Scotland to Dougie, do you copy? This is why most of us will vote Yes! Unless of course you can share your vision of why our country can be better by voting No - comeback?"
 
 
# jjmac 2013-05-03 22:19
I have never heard of the woman in my life. This should not detract us from our goal. There has been more newsworthy scandal recently which has been totally ignored. And Gardham's dig at Nicola Sturgeon today is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
 
 
# Dee 2013-05-03 22:32
Don't let this smoke screen stop you writing the truth about what the BT campaign are up to. They have control of TV, radio, all the newspapers, but they don't have control of the Internet , this is our domain and we are winning the debate thru sites like this one, So I appeal to all nationalists, keep up the great work we are doing over the Internet, we know there is no truth in these Calman stories, they want to try to take over the Internet as well, but they will never win that battle, Yes 2014.
 
 
# brusque 2013-05-03 23:49
Jings she is the Spitting Image (I miss Spitting Image, now that was real satire)of her dad, boom tish!

Do you see what I did there? it could be considered satire in some circles:-).

She is someone whose sole purpose in the last few days has been to get as much free publicity as the BBC will allow, by making unsupported accusations against anonymous internet users............and then finding that she had an important prior engagement when she was invited onto Newsnight Scotland to vent her ire.
 
 
# Hamish100 2013-05-04 09:06
The fact is Susan Calman is not particularly funny

Her main claim to fame is her daddy's pals in the Labour party let him produce the infamous Calman report and that her pal's in the BBC (a real surprise here) allow her unfettered airtime with her pal Fred McAuley and then "promoted" her to Radio 4.
(The BBC comedy circuit of inviting each other on shows continues)

Her talent seems to be able to talk about "her cat's", put on an effected Central Scotland accent and giggle.

In fairness Sandy Torsvig (Danish) does the same thing but with slightly more talent.
 
 
# rickdebrux 2013-05-04 14:31
I don't remember this amount of coverage protecting Andy Murray when he made his (in)famous statement, "anyone but England", I recall he got a lot of abuse and criticism from lots of English people. What's the difference? Oh he was being funny about the English, that's not allowed.
 
 
# Viking Girl 2013-05-04 15:51
Dougie Alexander was trying to bring the idea of intolerance to folk's perceptions of Yes campaigners. Just another attempt at influencing the public.
It's strange how the 'No' folk are trying to say that abuse is only coming from the Nats. I'm sure I recall Lord Foulkes describing Salmond as 'il duce' and I might be wrong, but didn't Ms Wark describe Nicola Sturgeon as 'Scotland's leading yes woman' on Newsnight, the day the Edinburgh agreement was signed, I think. It cuts both ways, and it's not just folk on the internet.
Hurling abuse at someone means you can't construct an argument to convince them that you are right. The 'No' folk have a long way to go before they can convince me.
 

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