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  By a Newsnet reporter
 
An image published by the anti-independence campaign Better Together as 'proof' that campaign group Labour for Independence (LFI) is an SNP front has been doctored, it has emerged.
 
The image, which shows several people holding Yes placards whilst standing beneath an LFI 'Yes' banner, appears on the Better Together site beneath a headline which says 'They will say anything and do anything'.

A short article beneath the image states:

"For months Alex Salmond's independence campaign has claimed that Labour for Independence is a group of pro-separation Labour party members. Today it was exposed that it is nothing more than a front organisation for SNP activists.

"As part of an extraordinary attempt to deceive Scots voters, the photos published on twitter today show SNP politicians and members posing as Labour party members.  The photos include the SNP leader of a local council and the SNP Deputy Leader of another council posing as Labour activists."

The smear spawned several similar reports from Unionist leaning journalists in the Scottish media, each attacking LFI and its leader Allan Grogan, insisting the SNP were behind the group.

However it has emerged that the image on the Better Together website originally contained the names of each of the people standing beside the banner which made it clear some Yes Scotland campaigners, completely separate from LFI, were posing in the picture.

In the Better Together image the reference to Yes Scotland had been removed along with the names of the people in the picture.

It has also emerged that the event at which the picture was taken was actually a Yes Scotland event at which 'Labour for Independence' was in attendance along with representatives of several political parties and other non-political figures. 

Another online website, Wings over Scotland, has revealed that on the day the image was taken, far from attempting to deceive – the Yes Scotland activist who took the picture published it on his twitter account.

The individual, Graham Barton, also tweeted other images from the same event clearly showing the Yes Scotland stall.

The row has now included claims that the BBC itself has become part of a smear campaign aimed at undermining the Labour campaign group which held its first policy conference at the STUC building in Glasgow at the weekend.

A BBC Scotland online article written by reporter Glenn Campbell contained another image which Better Together had altered to include the phrase 'SNP Cllr' beside three men who were pictured holding an LFI banner which proclaimed - 'Yes is the future!'

The image was also shown on Newsnight Scotland with the SNP councillors highlighted by presenter Gordon Brewer.  However appearing on the programme, LFI founder Allan Grogan revealed the image had never been used by his organisation in order to promote its pro-independence campaign.

Speaking to Newsnet Scotland, a Yes Scotland activist said: "We are happy to be seen alongside Labour for Independence, not because they are members of the Labour party but because they are on the side of the Yes campaign, just as we are happy to be seen beside the Scottish Greens and the Scottish Socialist Party.

"It is ludicrous to claim that Yes Scotland campaigners, who happen to be members of the SNP, are 'masquerading' as LFI members just because they are seen holding LFI banners proclaiming 'Yes' to independence.

"Many people congregate around and hold both Yes and No banners because they support the respective constitutional stance and not to pass themselves off as members of the organisation who made the banner.

"Are Unionists now saying that campaign groups cannot support one another and be photographed doing so?"

Both Yes Scotland and Better Together have other groups campaigning alongside the main campaign groups.  National Collective are a well known artists for independence group and LGBT Together is a gay-pride Better Together campaign group.

The Yes Scotland activist added: "Alistair Darling recently headed a launch of Rural Better Together, but nobody is seriously suggesting he is trying to pass himself off as a farmer and surely the LGBT Together people would be more than happy for non gay people to stand beside them and any 'No to independence' banners they may have."

Labour for Independence was created by Allan Grogan, a Labour party member, who was frustrated at the lack of acknowledgement from party bosses at what Mr Grogan says is significant support for independence amongst many Labour party voters.

The group attracted around 100 people at its inaugural policy conference held at the weekend in Glasgow.  The growing popularity of Labour for Independence comes in the wake of polling which shows the Labour party in Scotland has fallen further behind the SNP since losing the 2011 Holyrood elections.

Comments  

 
# cjmasta 2013-08-01 23:24
No ruff ride then for Michael Kelly as he continues with the smear campaign on Newsnight Scotland whilst Allan Grogan could hardly get his point across without being steered in a certain direction or interrupted by Gordon Brewer.
The Unionist/Better Together mob and the media working in cahoots are a well oiled machine. They`ve been doing this for a long time in Scotland, longer than i`ve been on this earth infact.
Misinformation, lies, twisting of facts/numbers, smears they know is their only weapon and by god their gonna use it as much as is possible.
Think it`s time I visited the YES SCOTLAND office and got out there again doing whatever I can cos this isn`t gonna be won arguing with folk online or speaking amongst ourselves.
 
 
# Roll_On_2011 2013-08-02 04:29
cjmasta

“ No ruff ride then for Michael Kelly as he continues with the smear campaign on Newsnight Scotland whilst Allan Grogan could hardly get his point across without being steered in a certain direction or interrupted by Gordon Brewer. “

I totally agree, for those that have not seen the program a link is given below. The LFI interview starts at 11:00 minutes in.

bbc.co.uk/.../...
 
 
# gandkar 2013-08-02 08:17
Quoting cjmasta:
No ruff ride then for Michael Kelly as he continues with the smear campaign on Newsnight Scotland whilst Allan Grogan could hardly get his point across without being steered in a certain direction or interrupted by Gordon Brewer.
The Unionist/Better Together mob and the media working in cahoots are a well oiled machine. They`ve been doing this for a long time in Scotland, longer than i`ve been on this earth infact.
Misinformation, lies, twisting of facts/numbers, smears they know is their only weapon and by god their gonna use it as much as is possible.
Think it`s time I visited the YES SCOTLAND office and got out there again doing whatever I can cos this isn`t gonna be won arguing with folk online or speaking amongst ourselves.

What a difference - watch Sophie from RT interviewing Alec Salmond - then watch Gordon Brewer interviewing Michael Kelly and Allan Grogan. Can you spot which media is being manipulated? Shame on you BBC!!!
 
 
# arch50 2013-08-01 23:57
well better together at it`s best slithering along on it`s belly as it cant hold it`s head up with all the lies they keep telling
 
 
# Breeks 2013-08-02 02:35
This has all the hallmarks of an SAS style 'mini coup'. Anas Sarwar and the BBC have their anti SNP prejudices flushed from cover, and find themselves caught in a kill zone with a devastating crossfire. On the one hand exposed as manipulative liars with a febrile hatred for the SNP, and felled from the other direction by the recognition and deluge of publicity they didn't want for Allan Grogan and Labour for Independence.

Carefully planned ambush by an unseen hand with perfect extraction? Or merely the BBC and Better Together tripping over each other, being so frantic for purchase in a debate they are losing?

Who knows? Maybe a little of both, but let's hope to see more of the same because the BBC and Better Together took important damage here. It may take time to reveal itself, but this incident will haunt them.
 
 
# Roll_On_2011 2013-08-02 04:48
OT - Breaking News

Just picked this comment up on WoS

Cymru Rydd says:

O.T: Just to let our Scottish friends know that Plaid Cymru( the national party of Wales) have just won a resounding victory in a by-election for the Welsh Senedd on Ynys Mon( Isle of Anglesey).
Plaid’s candidate, Rhun ap Iorwerth, won an amazing 58% of the vote, with a majority of over 9,000 votes. Welsh Labour( who are in power in Wales) saw their vote collapse by a huge 50%!.
This will be a huge fillip for Plaid Cymru as the party aims to be the largest party in the Senedd after the Welsh Elections in 2016. As we look enviously northwards at your opportunity to vote for freedom next year, let’s hope that we are not all that far behind!

wingsoverscotland.com/.../...
 
 
# Roll_On_2011 2013-08-02 06:01
Perhaps there's a more compelling reason why NuLabour had to move to smear the LFI movement.

A recent Ipsos MORI poll taken last May

Q: Should Scotland be an Independent Country?
A: YES

Con: 5%
Lab: 13%
LD: 4%
SNP: 61%

sample size: 1001

These figures are courtesy of the BBC given in their Newsnight documentary (in my link given above).

13% of NuLabour voters voting YES… oh the irony of it.
.
 
 
# gus1940 2013-08-02 06:28
I seem to recall Darling addressing the recent Scottish Tory Conference to great acclaim from BT, BBC Scotland and The MSM.

So that was all right then.
 
 
# Henry 2013-08-02 06:34
Further to the BBC story and in particular the photo, I can link to another photo of the same event. Only this one shows more people and a Yes Scotland banner.

Photo can be seen as cover image/header here-
www.facebook.com/.../
 
 
# gus1940 2013-08-02 08:10
Having just finished perusal of today's on-line Scotsman (while, as usual, holding my nose) I am astonished to find for the first time in recent years not a single fresh Project Fear scare story.

Has the well of scare stories run dry or have they realised that the daily deluge of nonsense is counter-productive?

However, the nation must have breathed a sigh of relief at The Second Coming of Lamentable Lamont as she re-appears from her sojourn in her own secret wilderness to heap praise on Willie Haughie and his forthcoming elevation to The House of Troughery for services rendered to The Labour Party..
 
 
# ScottyC1314 2013-08-02 08:50
I happened across newsnight last night as I don't tend to watch it anymore. I was surprised to see Kelly as the labour spokesperson (1st question: where's Johann?) as he is thoroughly useless and presents an open goal for any seasoned political journalist. I was then promptly reminded why I don't watch the programme anymore. Where were the questions on Labour & Tory being hand in hand, whilst showing Blair McDougall in front of conservative posters. Kelly stuttered through the one challenging question he did get but why didn't Brewer go for the throat at that point? Thankfully this garbage is on late and the vast majority of Scots aren't even aware of Brewer's existence.
 
 
# Alba4Eva 2013-08-02 10:22
Or what about Alistair Darling addressing a meeting at the Tory Party conference?

bbc.co.uk/.../...
 
 
# Indy_Scot 2013-08-02 08:59
I think it is quite shocking when a national broadcaster such as BBC Scotland can take photographs doctored by the Better Together campaign and present them to the Scottish public in a misleading way to try and smear Labour for Independence and the SNP.

It is absolutely disgraceful journalism. Is there nothing that Newsnight Scotland and BBC Scotland will not do in their attempt to influence people to vote against their country?
 
 
# bringiton 2013-08-02 10:05
Not journalism but propaganda.
The BBC in Scotland sees it's function as defending the Greater England establishment from the restless natives.
As with the Greater English press,the best thing is not to go anywhere near it if you wish to remain in good health.
 
 
# hiorta 2013-08-02 10:16
Which raises the question, Indy_Scot as to why.
Why would these groups lie, distort and manipulate the Scottish people?
What's in it for them?
Could it be that they face political oblivion if the full facts of Unionist skullduggery to keep Scotland in subservience were known?
 
 
# Kinloch 2013-08-02 11:22
The BBC in Scotland is finished now regardless of the referendum outcome, would you hire any of the cabal of so-called journalists employed there?
I can only assume that the arrogant belief that it wont happen is what keeps them going, if not that then what?
Perhaps they think they'll all get their noses in the Lords trough as a reward for selling out their friends and neighbours and annihilating 5000 years of history . The NO 'argument' is a lost cause but these propagandists had better hope I'm wrong about that, or the shoogly peg on which they have hung their colours will crash to the ground taking their reputations and their futures with it. Nobody will be heading south to the land of milk and honey in the event of a YES vote.
The MSM will at some point be held to account for this s**tstorm, win or lose, and I'll be there with many more from this site and others to hold them to account.
The eyes of the world are turning our way, best up your game folks.
 
 
# jimmcdougall 2013-08-02 17:37
Quoting hiorta:
Which raises the question, Indy_Scot as to why.
Why would these groups lie, distort and manipulate the Scottish people?
What's in it for them?
Could it be that they face political oblivion if the full facts of Unionist skullduggery to keep Scotland in subservience were known?


The simple truth is that they know fine well that rUK will start the headlong dive down the tubes when we're Independent!

They're desperate to hold onto us and will sink as low as it takes, but the signs are there that it's all blowing back in their faces. That's what happens when you piss into the wind.
 
 
# Roll_On_2011 2013-08-02 12:35
OT Part 1

I see that Crofters for YES are launching their campaign today:

scotsman.com/.../...

“ Crofters for Yes is being unveiled today at the Black Isle Show, one of Scotland’s premier agricultural events.

The article also further adds:

“ With the successful launch of Farming for Yes last week, Yes Scotland is now highlighting the vital role crofting communities will bring to the independence debate including showcasing the provision of a skilled and diverse workforce, support for rural populations and an important contribution to tourism, including the growing food tourism industry. “
 
 
# Roll_On_2011 2013-08-02 12:55
OT Part 2

Another part of the jigsaw is also starting to slot into place.

Imagine a feudal country where 432 families own half the land. Welcome to Scotland

independent.co.uk/.../...

“ Scotland currently has the most concentrated pattern of private ownership in the developed world with just 432 individuals accounting for half of all non-public land.

Submissions by the aristocracy and their representatives to the Land Reform Review Group, which was set up by the Scottish Government to consider the stalled question of redistribution, reveal deep-seated opposition to change, critics claimed. “
 
 
# Massan_Gow 2013-08-02 13:25
Ah, so BT throw out an accusation and the BBC report it 'unchecked'.

Quelle surprise!

'Democracy' at work in Scotlandshire...
 
 
# call me dave 2013-08-02 14:45
Here's a bit of fun.

Poll: Independence is as likely as man landing on Mars by 2070
2 August 2013

thecourier.co.uk/.../...

Now I saw some stuff last week where the technology to do such a thing is ready to go. Volunteers have to plan for a minimum of 3 year journey.

In the same paper.

Methil turbine project up for discussion

thecourier.co.uk/.../...
 
 
# Roll_On_2011 2013-08-02 15:43
Aye dave I read about that poll on another site so I went to YouGov to investigate.

I to was intrigued by the question:

'People believe an independent Scotland will be as likely as putting astronauts on Mars by 2070'.

The poll was taken across the whole of the UK.

Total Sample size: 1968
Scottish Sample size: 171

So as far as Scotland is concerned it is a wee pretendy poll. But it does show what the English feel about our Independence.

The poll can be downloaded, in pdf format from their site:

yougov.co.uk/.../...

By the way I left a comment on your first link.
 
 
# creigs1707repeal 2013-08-02 16:01
Sample of Scots 171.

YES = 41%.
NO = 39%
Don't Know = 20%.

YES ahead in this poll. All to play for.

YES Scotland.
 
 
# MartinofGreengairs 2013-08-03 14:01
If these people honestly believed that LFI was a "SNP front" then they should expel Allan Grogan immediately.

They have no evidence though and therefore no grounds to believe such a claim so they've simply made it up.

In short, the Labour Party in Scotland are lying. As usual.

Doing them a lot of good in the polls, isn't it? :-)
 
 
# creigs1707repeal 2013-08-03 22:48
I really do hope the Bitter lot keep up these dirty tactics. By merely showing the Bitter side of this story (from their official website) and then presenting the actual truth of the events from NewsnetScotland , I have been able to convert three undecideds and one NO firmly into the YES camp.

What was the deciding factor for them to make the leap, you might ask? It was simple - each and every one of them detests liars and will most certainly will not be made a fool of. Liars, in their opinion (and quite rightly) do not deserve their vote.

I am fully confident that I will be able to convert many more to the YES camp and will be able to do so quite easily so long as the Bitter lot keep this bare faced lie so prominent on their official web site.

Talk about scoring own goals. Long may they continue cos I am having an absolute field day with this. Keep it up BT.

YES Scotland.
 

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