Two Scottish members of the women’s team GB football team have caused controversy after deciding not to sing the British national anthem at the Olympics.

Footballers Kim Little and Ifeoma Dieke both declined to join their team mates in singing God Save the Queen before their recent game against New Zealand.

Ms Little said she had made a “personal choice” not to sing it “because she is Scottish”.

The two joined Welsh stars Ryan Giggs and Craig Bellamy who also decided not to sing the song prior to men’s team GB’s opening game against Senegal.

The decisions by the Scots and Welsh team members has led to claims of ‘offence’ with the British Olympic Association said to be ‘furious’.

According to the Daily Mail, the association has instructed all athletes competing for team GB to learn the words of God Save the Queen and to sing it in order to “show respect”.

Speaking to the Daily Mail, Former javelin thrower and Olympic silver medallist Fatima Whitbread said: ‘I think it’s a poor show if you are competing under a British flag and you don’t feel proud to be British.

‘It’s fine for you to believe in Scottish independence and to have your own beliefs – there has always been a bit of a rivalry – but if you are competing under a British flag you need to feel British.’

However Miss Little’s grandfather, William Little said he “supported her 100 per cent” in her decision.

“It’s the national anthem of England, and she is Scottish,” he said. “It is her decision and I support it 100 per cent. I would have done the same. In my personal view I would like to see a Scotland team at the Olympics.”

Comments  

 
# Leal 2012-07-27 06:50
Of Course the Elephant in The Room is

" if you deem it a Foreign National Anthem then Why are you competing in their Team" ?
 
 
# RevStu 2012-07-27 07:37
Precisely. If Little and Dieke felt that Scottish, they wouldn't be jeopardising Scotland's footballing future and going against the clear wishes of the Scottish FA by playing in the GB team. They're doing it for themselves, so they should suck it up and sing "their" anthem.
 
 
# chicmac 2012-07-27 09:42
The founding principle of the modern Olympics was supposed to be about individual attainment. It has of course been perverted into a display of the worst kind of jingoistic nationalism.

In regard to the anthem, if there is reason for objection to singing the anthem, as in the case of ambiguity, then the nation concerned may play and sing the Olympic Anthem.

In the case of GB there is most definitely ambiguity. This ambiguity could easily have been removed long ago by the simple expedient of either having an alternative British anthem with GStQ being retained by England for sporting events OR have a new England only anthem while GStQ is retained for the Olympics and other sporting events which involve GB.

Why that has not happened is perhaps more indicative of a little Englander psyche of some English people and their inability or unwillingness to acknowledge a difference between English and British.

The British Olympic Committee, by issuing a diktat that all Scots athletes must sing GStQ is further elevating the jingoistic kind of nationalism for the Olympics above other sports. After all, footballers, rugby players etc. may normally decline to sing GStQ or FoS etc as the wish.

It is all sadly reminiscent of past Brit Nat farces like banning Scottish skier, Alain Baxter's saltire dyed haircut so he had to shave it off, or, more recently, the banning of the saltire flying at Hampden Park during Olympic games (until it was pointed out that in the Barcelona Olympics the Catalan flag flew alongside the Spanish).

The syllogism:
Scottish is British,
British is English,
Therefore Scottish is English

Has a failed premise in there.
 
 
# Nation Libre 2012-07-27 15:56
I have to disagree Leal. Much as I disagree with joining 'Team GB' these players have no option to play for GB if they want to play at the Olympics. I think the stand they are making is entirely correct and makes their position very clear. If that were to spread and all other Scottish athletes done the same, that would be a very clear message, 'NOT British, Scottish' with the whole world watching. Team GB trying to force it and their alleged fury would be a great boost for Independence
 
 
# Ready to Start 2012-07-27 06:55
Noticed Ryan Giggs as captain of Team GB didn't join in National Anthem but don't expect BBC to report this (but if had been a chippy Scot?) or any negative story or fact that no one turned up for the North Korea football match at Hampden.
 
 
# Siôn Jones 2012-07-27 07:35
Why should anyone with a sense of decency sing a dirge which contains the words'Rebellious Scots to crush'?
 
 
# gopher3 2012-07-27 08:48
Quoting Siôn Jones:
Why should anyone with a sense of decency sing a dirge which contains the words'Rebellious Scots to crush'?


Because not a lot of Scots know these words are there.
Well done girls for making a stand.
 
 
# 357ms 2012-07-27 09:25
Quoting gopher3:
Quoting Siôn Jones:
Why should anyone with a sense of decency sing a dirge which contains the words'Rebellious Scots to crush'?


Because not a lot of Scots know these words are there.


Those words are NOT there.

royal.gov.uk/.../...

"There is no authorised version of the National Anthem as the words are a matter of tradition."
 
 
# JRTomlin 2012-07-27 17:03
Well, I hate to tell you but the TRADITIONAL version -- using all verses -- contains those words.
 
 
# snowthistle 2012-07-27 07:45
In the great scheme of things does it really matter if they sing it or not?
And as for Ms Whitbread, how do you make yourself "feel British"? You either do or you don't.
The days of the Olympics being about good sportsmanship, moral fibre, showing respect, team spirit etc are well past, it's a high tech business and we shouldn't pretend otherwise.
 
 
# Alibi 2012-07-27 08:25
Whilst I don't think any Scot should have agreed to play for team GB, well done to the two girls for making a stand against being forced to sing GSTQ.
 
 
# Massacre1965 2012-07-27 08:54
I agree. Great they've made a point.
 
 
# CapnAndy 2012-07-27 09:01
It's team GB, not team UK. Nuff said.
 
 
# tartanfever 2012-07-27 09:33
Actually it isn't. It's Great Britain and Northern Ireland, this 'Team GB' just ignores them. How nice, especially as the good tax [payers of NI have contributed hundreds of millions towards these games.

Even C4's Jon Snow couldn't get his correction right the other day. After the programme called the women's football team 'England' he made a great hoo-ha of making the correction on air at the end of the saying, we should have said Great Britain, as their were two Scots players. '


No Jon - actually what you should have said was Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Yeas it's a right old mouthful, but it's correct so get it right.
 
 
# CapnAndy 2012-07-27 10:51
I stand corrected.
 
 
# robbo 2012-07-27 12:19
NI is an enormous tax leech on the UK.

London has essentially funded the entire thing.
 
 
# Thistle_2014 2012-07-28 11:07
Quoting tartanfever:
Actually it isn't. It's Great Britain and Northern Ireland, this 'Team GB' just ignores them. How nice, especially as the good tax [payers of NI have contributed hundreds of millions towards these games.

Even C4's Jon Snow couldn't get his correction right the other day. After the programme called the women's football team 'England' he made a great hoo-ha of making the correction on air at the end of the saying, we should have said Great Britain, as their were two Scots players. '


No Jon - actually what you should have said was Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Yeas it's a right old mouthful, but it's correct so get it right.


Sorry but you are wrong.

This I find causes a lot of confusion and it suits Westminster to keep the 'grey area'

The BOA has the Olympic charter for Scotland, England and Wales. It also includes territories with no Olympic association outwith the UK state such as Jersey, Isle of Man, Falklands etc.

Team GB is not the UK state team.

There is no state team in any sport which competes as United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Hence why the IOC membership held by the BOA is called "Great Britain" as it a non-political geographical identifier.

It includes members from outwith the UK and does not have the charter for all the countries within the UK.

The OCI (Olympic Council of Ireland)hold the Olympic charter for all 32 counties of Ireland including all Northern Ireland.

Ireland again is a team which is not just the Rep of Ireland state but includes territory outwith their state.

There is nothing to stop Scotland having our own Olympic team even if we are not independent.

There are many non-sovereign teams which compete in the Olympics such as Puerto Rico, Cook Islands, Hong Kong etc.

In fact Hong Kong always had their own Olympic team when they were under British sovereignty.

Last night you also saw Bermuda, Cayman Islands and British Virgin islands enter the stadium with their team even though they are not independent and still under British sovereignty.

The other British sovereign territories like Isle of Man, Jersey, Guernsey, Falklands, Pitcairn Island, Anguila, British Indian Ocean territory, British Virgin Islands, Gibraltar, Monsterrat, Pitcairn Islands, Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, Turks and Caicos Islands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands and Akrotiri and Dhekelia all are part of "Team GB".

This is another archiac overhang from times gone by and suits the British establishment to keep this veneer and front of a unified "nation", "country", "state" or "Britishness" which does not actually exist in reality.

In any case, come 2016 we will have our own Scottish Olympic team for our athletes and citizens to be proud of after the vote in 2014!
 
 
# NkosiEcosse 2012-07-27 09:53
In 1972 my parents emigrated to South Africa, at school once a week in the morning we had to sing the National Anthem "The Voice of South Africa" or more correctly in it's Afrikaans translation "Die Stem van Suid Afrika". As a Scot (British) we were not compelled to sing but asked to at least stand as a mark of respect and this we did although we never sang it. The girls and the "boyos" of the GB football teams are quite right not to sing an anthem that is not theirs, I am sure all four of them stood while it was being played though.

As an after thought, because I spent nearly 30 years in South Africa I am more likely to sing Sikelele Afrika before I sing GStQ. However I was born a Scot and remain one, Flower of Scotland is my preferred anthem.
 
 
# John Lyons 2012-07-27 10:09
What's not being reported is wether or not every single other member of both the men and womens teams sang. Can anyone confirm if this was the case?

Also, if it's such a big deal I expect disciplinaries. However the guidelines seem to have been learn the anthem and be respectful. As NkosiEcosse says, standing quietly is respectful. It's not like they walked out, sat down or belted out Flower of Scotland! And I'm sure they know the words as they're rammed down our throat at every opportunity. Hell's teeth, it's not that long since the BBC used to finish a days broadcasting with it!
 
 
# proudscot 2012-07-27 10:43
I agree with chicmac's point about participation in the Olympics being all about personal achievement where the competing athletes are concerned. In modern times it has been hijacked by the politicians of every hue in every country. Take for just one example the BBC and UK-wide press coverage (almost bordering on hysteria) of the progress of the Olympic torch around the British Isles. This particular "ceremony" or "tradition" was started as the brainchild of one Josef Goebells to glorify Nazi Germany prior to the 1938 Olympics in Berlin.

Regarding anyone choosing not to sing the words of the so-called British National Anthem, what if the athlete concerned doesn't believe in the Christian version of a supernatural being given the title of "God"? And what if the athlete concerned doesn't agree in principle with this deity being asked to save a woman, who was born into her life of privilege and super wealth, with no merit or other qualification required?
Why should that athlete be required to be hypocritical enough to sing such a
load of quasi-religious twaddle?

Finally,This morning on Call Kaye I heard the usual Salmond haters criticising him for sending a good luck message to ALL the "Team GB" athletes, including the Scots therein, which as our First Minister he is perfectly entitled to do. Have these people heard the jingoistic rantings of David Cameron and Boris Johnstone? Cameron is quite openly touting for business investment on the back of these Olympic Games. Is that in the "Olyimpic spirit"? That is a prime example of how an international sporting event has been hijacked by politicians for venal commercial purposes, rather than a celebration of all that is excellent in athletic achievement by individual athletes.

Rant over, that's me off to the darkened room to calm down. Somebody give me a shout when the country gets back to what passes for normal - rain and recession.
 
 
# Galen10 2012-07-27 10:55
Seems like a bit of a non-issue to me, unless the authorities do something stupid like try to discipline those involved.

Whilst I have some sympathy for those above wondering why the individuals involved felt the need to participate if they were so opposed to the concept of singing the UK anthem, I would stoutly defend their right not to sing it.

I imagine any moves to officially censure or discipline anyone who does this would provoke a furious reaction, and add thousands of votes to the YES campaign for 2014.

What many English (and to be fair foreign) people don't understand, is the fact that "most" Scots don't regard God Save the Queen as "their" anthem, any more than they regard England as their team. I've lived in England for 20 years, but I would NEVER sing the UK anthem, though I would stand for it as a mark or respect.

Whether the frothing right wing carpet biters in the English media like it or not, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have their own sporting identities, and are therefore somewhat distinct from other areas.... there are no Catalan, Bavarian or Breton teams competing internationally after all.

With luck come the next Olympics the point will be moot anyway!
 
 
# Angus 2012-07-27 11:00
The Daily Mail comments... ouch... the Mail is like Thatcher, the hammer of the Scots and it shows first hand the bullying and abuse that we get for being Scottish.
 
 
# hiorta 2012-07-27 11:35
Why any decent individual would sing such a racist, anti-Scottish dirge as the English anthem defies belief and logic.
 
 
# Leal 2012-07-27 11:37
Of Course if after looking at the Playbacks it is Found that other Nationals in Team GB were Silent other than the Scots or welsh during GStQ then surely the Hoohaa is based more on Racial predjudice against the Scots and Welsh than anything Else.

The solution for me is for no Athletes at all from Scotland to compete under Team GB Banner. We still have the commonwealth Games you Know. Put all your Efforts into that for the time Being and Perhaps our Medal tally will Increase their along with standing us in Good steid for a Future Scots Olympic Team. ( I don't expect this to happen and I Do Understand the difficulties at present Though)
 
 
# Massacre1965 2012-07-27 12:30
Yes but the Scots were more silent!!
 
 
# red kite 2012-07-27 11:50
Good on them, well done the ladies for doing what you believe to be right.
I don't agree with those who say they could have chosen not to be in the Team GB. Yes it was an option. But Team GB is the only opportunity for Scots to participate in these Olympics. It would have been different if there had been a Scottish Team.
These ladies have made a moral stand, and they are to be well congratulated. I'm sure it was not an easy decision for them, there would have been pressure, and perhaps the stress could affect their performance.

I remember not standing in the cinema, after the film, when that anthem was played as they did at the end. It was nerve wracking, as a youngster, and at first as maybe the only person not standing. Later it became a bit more common.
As a people we still have a ways to go. Standing up for your (own) country is good, and I'm glad to see these two making their stand.
 
 
# Fungus 2012-07-27 12:03
Well done those girls and our Welsh cousins they deserve a medal for standing up and being true to their convictions. Shows that the time of obsequious grovelling is over. And to the posters who talk about respect...how respectful is it to force us to consider a hymn written to bring down God's wrath on our country as our national anthem?
 
 
# Desperate Dora 2012-07-27 12:04
I'm confused - maybe because I don't know much about football. However, when people not born in Scotland are recruited to play for the Scotland football team or the rugby team or any other team, come to think of it, are they expected to sing Flower of Scotland? And if they don't, do other people or the media make a big fuss about it?

I'm fairly sure these two girls are not unique in playing for a team that doesn't represent their country of birth and not singing the anthem. After all, the UK is not actually a country or a nation, just more of a political arrangement.

What should have happened is that Scotland should have had its own team. In the absence of this, the girls maybe felt that the only way for Scotland to be represented at all was for them to take part, but to make it clear in the only way they could that they were representing their country of birth.

Can't find it in myself to disapprove of lassies of independent mind.
 
 
# CapnAndy 2012-07-27 13:35
Well put Dora.
But remember, they are not playing on behalf of the UK. They are playing on behalf of Team GB and NI. If they were playing on behalf of the United 'Kingdom' then you could understand having to put up with the Monarchial baggage. However they are playing on behalf of team GB and NI, it's a democracy (so we are told.) and they are entitled to their views and to express those views.
Good for them.
 
 
# jaguar 2012-07-27 12:27
Is singing now a requirement to play football? Why does anyone need to sing before taking part in sport? It's bad enough listening to football supporters singing. Will there now be auditions as well as a fitness test? It is all so pathetic! Never mind only 8 more BBC hours of Countdown to the Olympics to avoid.....
 
 
# .Scot 2012-07-27 13:18
This is the last time the great non-producing metropolis wasters will ever be able to host the Olympics. Let the Double dip recession led bankrupt fools have their £21 billion Sports-day parade even though they will be paying for it for the next fifty years!
 
 
# peter,aberdeenshire 2012-07-27 13:41
This is like the Andy Murray anyone but England thing where everything is great in the UK as long as England prevails but dare question this and they turn on you like rabid wolves.
The Olympics have been one huge scam, the country on it's knees but get the Olympics then throw millions of quid to build, rebuild sports facilities, upgrade the infrastucture of London and get the rest of the country to pay for it. Throw a couple of minor footie games to appease the Jocks and the Taffs (no offense Sion :-)) and Robert's your uncle and Fanny your aunt!
 
 
# Celtic Mama 2012-07-27 13:47
Whilst I would rather have pulled my own eyelashes out than played for 'Team GB', I am proud of these girls for taking a stand. In doing so, at least we are having this discusiion and many of the press and others are showing their true colours.
My greatest wish is for FIFA to say that Scotland should not have its own national football team: we'd be independent in a fortnight!
 
 
# Murray 2012-07-27 14:00
Well Done lassies, they done Scotland proud and I wish them all the best of luck!

Well done to the Welsh players aslo
 
 
# Diabloandco 2012-07-27 14:37
I take it the " miscreants" stood still during the anthem ?
They weren't chatting , picking their nose or any other anti social picking?
If they stood still , didn't wave to mum or girlfiend /boyfriend then what is all the fuss about?
 
 
# Angus 2012-07-27 15:23
I m proud of them, and the Welsh
 
 
# Puskas 2012-07-27 16:34
Well, well, well.

Much ado about nothing.

Kim and her family from the Moray area shone like a beacon as a football player from an early age.
I know the family from 2000 and are lovely people eho it was a pleasure to meet whilst I supported youth football. In this case female.
My only gripe would be why allow herself to be picked?. Jenny Beattie daughter of Johnny Beattie did she start the game therefore on the pitch singing her heart out ?? Now that is just a question.
I know of a few other Scottish girls who also captained the Scottish team both these Olympian played in . I also know they did not wish to be associated with team GB.

Indeed educarion and university studies became first in their priorities.

The Little family are a fine breed and the bottle shown by Kim is to be acknowledged and accepted by those unionist who lost the plot many years ago.

Hopefully in 4 years time my country Scotland shall compete as a right Although winning gold would be a great achievement taking part as an athlete fot a free Scotland is far more important Robbed by London and its counterpart the lottery fund of £200,000,000 + which would have progressed athletes, swimmers etc..

Second hand bucket seat on offer (
Commonwealth Games 2014) from down south should be pushed to where the sun don't shine.

My best wishes to Kim in her future exploits. x
 
 
# lumilumi 2012-07-27 17:31
I think this is being made into a storm in a teacup by those who oppose Scottish independence, or more powers to Scotland. Talk about Englishmen with chips on their shoulders. On the men's squad, Giggs and others didn't sing GSTQ but nobody is making a song and dance about it because they're not Scottish and perhaps on the brink of independence.

Not singing might not be a political statement at all, some athletes just can't sing and prefer to be quiet instead of distracting their teammates with their out-of-tune bawling. Many Finnish athletes take that option, it doesn't mean they're not happy and proud to be Finns.

Fair enough, these young Scots women have said that for them it was a political thing. How do you reconcile politics and sport?

Ideally the two should be separate (just like religion and state/politics, and don't get me started on that!) but of course sporting success breeds national pride. Hannes Kolehmainen and other Olympic gold medal winners in the Stockholm Olympics did a lot for Finnish national self-esteem in 1912, and in 1917 we became independent.

In the first London Olympics, in 1908, Finland, then an autonomous Grand Duchy of the Russian Empire, had its own team and refused to march behind the Russian flag. Marched without a flag, just the name of the team. Four years later in Stockholm it was the same thing, and the organisers had a dilemma when a Finnish athlete or team won. They hoisted the imperial Russian flag with a pennant underneath saying "Finland won". Oh, and Finland didn't actually have a historic national flag at the time. It was the first parliament of an independent Finland that decided on the sky-blue cross on a white background that we all now love. (It's based on pennants of nationalist-minded yacht clubs!)

I'm not sure if national anthems were played/sung back then, but I'm sure that no Finnish athlete would've sung a Russian anthem, we'd already had our own for decades, Maamme (="Our Country") still in use. Belted out enthusiasticall y, even if somewhat out of key, by fans every time a Finnish athlete or team wins. It's great. :-D

Oh, and as to these young women choosing to play for "Team GB" but not singing GSTQ. You have to understand that they're athletes first and foremost, even in a team sport. Few athletes turn down an opportunity to compete in the Olympics, given the chance. In recent history I know only one, Latvian ice-hockey goalie Arturs Irbe. He won the world championship with Soviet Union in 1989 and 1990 but refused to play for the Soviet team in 1991 because by that time Latvia had declared independence. He then played in the NHL and the Latvian national team in lower international divisions.
 
 
# oldnat 2012-07-27 19:59
Wales Online

walesonline.co.uk/.../...

is also reporting that an official BOA email celebrated the women's Team GB victory over New Zealand in Cardiff as "England women on their way".

As to the "Team GB" name, it is actually reasonably appropriate.

Great Britain is the largest of the British Isles, and the term can be used to include the independent nations in the Channel Islands and Man, whose athletes are included for the Olympics.

Those in Northern Ireland can choose whether they want to compete for Ireland or Team GB.

In this context, "GB" excludes part of the UK, and includes countries that aren't in the UK.
 
 
# lumilumi 2012-07-27 20:03
Olympic hype... Just watching YLE's pre-cerenomy broadcast. They showed a trailer of a series of YLE stories, including intreviews with Seb Coe, local homeless, athletes, Olympic protestors, cabbies... Nice ironic touch that they payed "Pomp and Circumstance" in the background. ;-)
 
 
# Welsh Sion 2012-07-27 21:35
Isn't it interesting that Tommy Smith and the others on the Olympic podium during the 1968 Olympics who gave a Black Panther salute and the silver medal winning Australian athlete who made a stand during their medal ceremony were subsequently reviled and ostracised by their respective Olympic authorities by demonstrating their belief in something beyond the medals that they had won? And that subsequently, their actions have been lionised by the allegedly liberal English Press and media. (I'm sure someone more conversant with the history can provide fuller details of those brave 1968 athletes' brave actions).

And yet when a home country athlete (Scot, Welsh) demonstrates a belief beyond the insular, jingoistic, Brit. nationalism that threatens to engulf his/her native culture and are asked to show respect to the non-democratically elected leader of a foreign country which exerts power over his/her nation, then that same 'liberal' English media will lambast the athlete as being for treacherous and consider the Tower of London too good for him/her.

Double standards, do you not agree?
 
 
# Early Ball 2012-07-27 21:46
Great shout Sion.

I remember my parents not being impressed at Smith and Carlos but I thought "good for them".

What might happen is there may be a debate about England using it as their anthem.
 
 
# chicmac 2012-07-27 21:35
Well, watching the opening ceremony the recurring word which comes to mind is 'embarrassing'. Mr Boyle who's films so often highlight the negative sides of cultures other than that of middle England seems to equally relish promoting positive imagery of it to quite cloyingly sickly levels. But no great surprise there.

Here in tiny Kirriemuir, we were bemused at the late arrival of a huge screen "The largest in Angus" with Free admission 1000 burgers etc. to display the ceremony.

Needless to say I did not feel disposed to attend myself despite it being 15 min walk away on a fine August evening.

Not far into the ceremony we had a sizeable section on J M Barrie, his creation of Peter Pan and the fact he donated the copyright proceeds to Great Ormand Street hospital in London. This was part of a general section on the NHS.

One cannot help wondering if there was a connection there and the more cynical (like me) might expect to see any positive reaction to the Barrie section by the Kirrie crowd feature in tomorrow's BBC Scottish news. Unless of course there was insufficient turnout for the freeby or no response. Time will tell.
 
 
# oldnat 2012-07-27 21:55
What a lot of silly wee independent countries in the Olympic parade!

Don't they realise that they would be "Better Together"?

If the Holy Roman Empire hadn't split into these wee countries like Germany and Italy, just think how far up the medal table they would be!
 
 
# chicmac 2012-07-27 23:40
Ditto mighty Yugoslavia.

Where have Croatia, Slovenia, Serbia etc got since it split up.


Oh yeah football semi finals, tennis no ones etc.

Better together my a**e.
 
 
# G. Campbell 2012-07-27 22:02
London police have used pepper spray against “critical mass” cycle ride as the British capital holds the opening ceremony of the '12 Summer Games. “Large number of people” arrested said a police tweet.

rt.com/.../...

twitter.com/OurOlympics
twitter.com/.../1

citizen.band @citizenband
@BBCnews remember how keen u were to report on protests in #china during last #olympics what about #criticalmass being battered by the MET?

twitter.com/citizenband
 
 
# Edna Caine 2012-07-27 22:16
Just heard the inane commentators at the BBC Olympfest claim that New Zealand have won more medals per head of population than any other country, presumably in the Summer Olympics only. This is wrong. NZ have won 87 medals at a ratio of one per 51,700 per head of population. Scotland has won 103 at a ratio of 49,300.

The bimbo has also just said that golf "will make it's debut as an Olympic sport in 2016". Can't the BBC find commentators who know that golf featured in Paris in 1900 (Men - USA Gold, Scotland Silver and Bronze : Ladies - USA all medals) and 1904 in St Louis (only USA and Canada participated)?
 
 
# oldnat 2012-07-27 23:06
I wouldn't describe Hazel Irvine as a "bimbo". However, since she played competitive golf for St Andrew's Uni, she might have been expected to know about the history.

Despite that error, she showed a huge knowledge of abstruse sporting facts, so I'm prepared to forgive her the occasional lapse.
 
 
# Edna Caine 2012-07-27 23:55
Don't know the woman so withdraw "bimbo".

"Abstruse" I agree with, though.
 
 
# kenneth_clark336 2012-07-28 00:03
Matthew Wright got into a real state this morning about the "national" anthem, his opinion being if they won't sing they shouldn't take the gig. Unfortunately, no one reminded him about the line concerning "rebellious Scots". An open goal everyone missed in the face of his aggressive attitude. He calmed down enough to make positive comments about Scottish legislation on gay marriage during the newspaper round up, even calling Alex Salmond a "very clever man". Strangely though, when I tried to show my girlfriend this rare piece of pro SNP coverage on mainstream TV, the catch up version has this part, and this part alone deleted! There is a very crude edit right at the beginning of this section, just as the first guest begins her review. Very, very odd decision.
 
 
# James01 2012-07-28 00:28
I can't recall a single Scottish sportsman or sportswoman making a fuss about competing for GB. At least a third of Scots support independence so at least a third of our athletes or cyclists or whoever must be nationalists, yet you never hear a whimper out of them, all you hear is how proud they are to represent team GB.
 
 
# cjmasta 2012-07-28 01:29
I have to say I found it odd during the opening ceremony that the commentators kept making references to countries wealth and I also found it a bit distasteful when bangladesh came on and they proceeded to laugh at tha fact that a population of 180 million had one bugger all and there team was very small. Don`t they know that extremely poor countries like Bangladesh and Scotland just can`t afford to send more than two people to such events?
 
 
# oldnat 2012-07-28 01:58
"extremely poor countries like Bangladesh and Scotland"

You are attempting to joke, I presume - even though your "joke" is based on a total misrepresentati on of Scotland.
 
 
# jurist 2012-07-28 01:29
It always amazes me how English sports men (it's usually men) sing that servile dirge, GSTQ, with such gusto. It's as if they're singing one of those stirring, 'our country's great and you're all crap' type anthems. They should add actions to it, like tugging their forelocks and bowing and scrapping; maybe add a bit of walking backwards while they're at it.
 
 
# Chateaulait 57 2012-07-28 10:34
Fatima Whitbread is wrong when she say's you should sing GStQ to show your proud to be British, the anthem is in praise of the monarchy not Britain, there are many English republicans who feel proud to be British but will not sing GStQ, the poor English must be the only nation in the world that doesn't have an anthem that praises their country.
 
 
# chicmac 2012-07-29 15:30
Late note to point out that Ms Whitbread's patriotism re the Olympics was fully demonstrated during the opening ceremony when she appeared in a panel game on another channel during it.

So presumably it is OK for FW fans to watch her and miss the opening.
 
 
# Kiltshy 2012-07-28 11:51
I take my hat off to them and say well done here's one Scot that supports you, both of you, 110%. Well done you have proven that you are good enough to make the team and also made your point concerning Scotland and her Independence
 
 
# Caadfael 2012-07-28 12:15
Well, I'm an aetheist, so I dont do god songs
I'm also republican, so I dont do royalty songs
4 words in and its not looking very healthy is it?
And as for Fatima .. looking quite like the late Lybian leader these days, mind you he had some balls too!!
 
 
# wakeup 2012-07-28 13:35
Watched the Opening & thought` Scotland should have been there along with other small nations` After all this is Scotland & GB is not what I am. I am proud to be Scottish. If you don`t want to sing, well you don`t. Good luck Scottish Athletes.
 
 
# Mark MacLachlan 2012-07-28 15:49
Cheesey thoughts on a tale of two Scottish players...

.../god-save-your-mad-parade.html
 
 
# call me dave 2012-07-28 20:04
The natives are restless:
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Hundreds march in Olympics protest in east London

Up to 400 protesters joined in the march

Cyclists held near Olympic Park
Up to 400 people have marched in Tower Hamlets in east London to protest against what they claim is the "Corporate Olympics".

The demonstration, organised by Counter Olympics Network, began at Mile End station and ended at Wennington Green.

The march was over issues which included free tickets for sponsors and the sidelining of local businesses.

bbc.co.uk/.../...
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Also why are so many 'sold out' events empty?
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Empty Olympics venue seats investigated

Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt: ''We are looking at this (the issue of empty seats) very urgently"


Olympic organisers are investigating why many seats were empty during events at venues including the Aquatics Centre in east London.

The BBC's Nick Hope said areas high in the stands at the sold-out event were full but several hundred more expensive seats lower down were not filled.

Locog said some accredited seats - for press and media - were empty.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19028979
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Aye bread and circuses right enough.

bloomberg.com/.../...
 
 
# Fungus 2012-07-28 21:22
Nothing new under the sun is there?

Quote:
On the evening of the 30th October 1792, there was a gala performance of As You Like It, put on for the pleasure of the gentlemen of the Caledonian and the Dumfries and Galloway hunt. There was a socially distinguished audience that included the Marquis of Queensberry and his party. When "God Save the King" was called for at the successful conclusion of the performance, there were counter calls from the pit for "Ca Ira", the song of the French Revolutionaries . Scuffling and shouting broke out, this was suppressed and drowned by the singing of the National Anthem, but it was reported that Mr Robert Burns remained seated throughout the singing, a scandalous, if courageous, act of defiance at a time when public feeling was running high against the French.
 

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