By Fay Sinclair

After many months of deliberation I have finally withdrawn my payment of the TV licence.  It is not something I did on a whim – fear of being on the wrong side of the law and the threat of up to £1000 fine kept me in line for a long time – but as the examples of partisan and often outright anti-Scottish reporting continued thick and fast I felt I simply couldn't continue to contribute to the biased propaganda machine the BBC has become.

I wrote to the BBC today to inform them of my decision, reached on the basis that the BBC is failing to fulfil its charter on several points.

The BBC is supposed to promote its stated public purposes, which include: “sustaining citizenship and civil society; promoting education and learning; stimulating creativity and cultural excellence; representing the UK, its nations, regions and communities; bringing the UK to the world and the world to the UK”.  Yet I do not believe the BBC is meeting these basic requirements.  In fact, in some instances, I believe the BBC is opposing the very principles it was set up to promote.

A recent example of the BBC failing to “sustain citizenship and civil society” as well as failing to “represent the UK, its nations, regions and communities” is in its reporting of the Scottish Government's continued commitment to providing students with free education.  The BBC reported this online under the headline “English, Welsh and N Irish students 'face Scots degree fee rise' in what appeared to be a deliberate attempt to stoke up cross-border resentment.

Another such example is the coverage of a reported lack of flu vaccines in England.  The initial story published on BBC online mentioned that Scotland had “plenty” of available vaccines and a spokesman for the Scottish Government stated it would “always consider helping England in any way appropriate, should a request be made”.

Over the course of the day the article was edited until the original headline of “Scots not asked by English for spare flu jabs” had changed to “English health officials hit back in flu jabs row” with reference made to how no formal approach had been made and citing “Scottish accusations” of that fact.  The language used and the spin put on this story seems, again, to be particularly inflammatory and in contradiction of the BBC's own charter.

These are just two examples of what appears to be a growing trend of anti-Scottish and particularly anti-SNP reporting by the BBC.

I have complained formally to the BBC on two occasions about anti-Scottish remarks broadcast.  I did not feel that my complaint was treated seriously on either occasion and feel let down by the organisation which is supposed to represent me and my country.

Comments made on BBC Radio 4's Any Questions by Baroness Ruth Deech and Douglas Murray which were clearly derogatory to Scots went unchecked and prompted a stream of complaints.  I, like many people I know, received a standard reply which did not satisfy the complaint.

There are many much more subtle examples of the bias evident in the BBCs news coverage.

The repeated reporting of inaccurate details and the blurring of two wholly separate stories with regards to the release of Al Megrahi from a Scottish prison was a sickening example of BBC Scotland's idea of “bringing the UK to the world” and in fact succeeded not to inform the wider world of events in Scotland as the public purpose in the charter would have licence fee payers believe, but to manufacture hatred based on inaccurate reporting of the issue.

Last month Stewart Stevenson was hounded out of office as Scotland's Transport Minister.  I watched the interview with him on Newsnight Scotland in disgust, and have since contrasted the coverage of Scotland's snow “chaos” with that south of the border and found that the way Mr Stevenson was spoken to can be described as nothing less than a personal attack.  BBC Scotland lied about the inaccuracies in its own weather forecast and seemingly pursued a witch-hunt against the minister in the following days.

Meanwhile the BBC refuses to so much as mention legitimate news stories covered by other broadcasters and print media, for example the diplomatic row caused Labour leader Iain Gray's inaccurate and offensive comments about Montenegro, or the limited reporting on disgraced Glasgow City Council leader Stephen Purcell.

The BBC is failing to “stimulate creativity and cultural excellence” by its censorship of other legitimate news sources – a prime example being the removal of any mention in Brian Taylor's blog of this very site.  Newsnet Scotland offers a nationalist view which provides some balance to the unionist dominated print media in Scotland.  Regular contributors to debates on BBC web pages have even been banned from Mr Taylor's blog for simply linking to this particular news source, while other sources are allowed.  I know of people who have complained to moderators about this issue, to my knowledge there has been no explanation for this blatant bias and censorship.

There are many more examples of how the BBC is failing me and my fellow Scots in its coverage, and more are being highlighted daily by an increasingly aware and increasingly disappointed Scottish public.

I now rarely rely on the BBC for information on any topic, particularly Scottish politics or current affairs.  When I do watch coverage or access online content I always make sure to look for the same story from other sources in order to ascertain the full facts of what is being presented.  This is a sorry state of affairs and over many months I have found myself growing more and more resentful that I am paying, in the form of my monthly direct debit for the TV licence, for what I can only describe as propaganda.  That is why I feel I must now withdraw payment of this fee and hope that my comments are taken on board and the issues raised are addressed.

The points I have outlined can all be found on Newsnet Scotland in more detail and I hope that others, like many before me, will have the courage to stand up for their principles and stop funding the biased BBC.


For the record:  Whilst we understand the very real frustration at the behaviour of the BBC in Scotland, Newsnet Scotland cannot endorse any illegal activities.  We encourage all vistors to the site to stay within the law.


# J Wil 2011-01-23 09:30
It is a brave stance to take and I am sure that the cowardly BBC will not want to take anyone to court who is going to make these points available to a wider public.
# purplepaul 2011-01-23 09:40
I stopped paying my licence fee 6 years ago writing to the BBC to inform them of my reasons why, ( pretty similar reasons as above ), and i havnt had any problems, i write to them every year challenging them to take me to court, and as yet i am still waiting, please spread the word, we should have a mass non-payment campaign in the same way that The Anti- Poll Tax Campaign was organised.
# Robert Louis 2011-01-23 09:43
QUOTE: "I now rarely rely on the BBC for information on any topic, particularly Scottish politics or current affairs. When I do watch coverage or access online content I always make sure to look for the same story from other sources in order to ascertain the full facts of what is being presented. This is a sorry state of affairs and over many months I have found myself growing more and more resentful that I am paying, in the form of my monthly direct debit for the TV licence, for what I can only describe as propaganda. That is why I feel I must now withdraw payment of this fee and hope that my comments are taken on board and the issues raised are addressed."

Well said. Very well said.

The BBC has become a unionist pro Labour propaganda machine in Scotland. They should be run out of town.

I feel you will not be alone in withholding your license fee in Scotland, as many people are still quite rightly furious over the remarks made and legitimised by the BBC by that woman Ruth Deech (and her silly xenophobic sidekick Douglas something or other).

The BBC has failed quite markedly in its duty in Scotland. It has lost its mandate, and as the writer has shown, it has also lost its right to be publicly funded.
# Harry.Shanks 2011-01-23 09:47
If I may make a tactical suggestion:
Do not simply "not pay" - place the equivalent sums into a separate bank account.

If your case goes to Court you can thus demonstrate an ability and willingness to pay but that you have declined not to do so for the reasons you have stated - the fact that you can demonstrate to have set money aside can be a mitigating circumstance and show thay you are not simply a freeloader.
# Vincent McDee 2011-01-24 10:22
There's nothing that needs "mitigation" Harry.

While the attorney in me support your proposal a 100%, the same refuse to accept the case is lost beforehand, thus the need for mitigating circumstances to affect the sentence.

I know quite a few legal hawks that would love to have a try at arguing the case.
# UpSpake 2011-01-23 10:03
Well Fay, I support your position on the license fee/tax 100%. The observed bais of the BBC and it's commentators/journalists ie Brian Taylor is sickening and disgusting. The fact that BBC Scotland is peppered by labour placemen and reporters who were formally associated with labour cannot possibly provide objective reporting. That would be true for whichever party hacks populated the BBC. Pro London - anti Scottish rhetoric on the BBC is nausiating and persistent.
For people like yourself who feel compelled to stop paying the TV tax is wonderfully principled but problematic. Such is the Stasi police involvement in stamping out dissent and the threat of massive fines and imprisonment that the individual protestor is intimidated into surrender to the police state one at a time. Only a mass protest can have any hope of being successful or, that a large section of the population declare their intention not to pay this tax, all at once and that other media pick up on that. I suggested before, mass burning of TV licences outside BBC in Glasgow. Burn the document while still paying the direct debit won't result in you going to jail but the point will have been made. If nothing changes then perhaps - stop payment. Don't do so straight away as the actions of a singleton as it will have no impact whatsoever. Remember what happened in Northern Ireland when the Catholic population there stopped paying their licence fees during the decades of the troubles there. There was a news blackout so that no other - region - of the UK ever found out and replicated the action. Burning TV licences ia a much more positive form of protest. Thank goodness for the internet and mobile phones. Scotland isn't Tunisia but the media act like it is.
# RandomScot 2011-01-23 10:14
A good point to have in mind is the Dimbleby treatment of Nicola Surgeon re UK only issues, vs all the England only issues QT covers.
# Bobby Clarke 2011-01-24 11:36
Ah, the Dimbley Diktat!
# DonaldMhor 2011-01-23 10:20
# Hirta 2011-01-23 22:35
Quoting DonaldMhor:

Wonderful. Duly forwarded..
# mato21 2011-01-23 10:34
This from the Sunday Express Are we expempt from paying this tax? reads like it is it all English money

plans to plunder cash from English TV licence fee payers to create a Scottish version of the BBC were last night savaged by a spending watchdog

Read more:
# Jimbo 2011-01-23 13:42
Two different stories

From the Express' English website: SCOTTISH RAID ON BBC LICENSE FEE CASH

# RobQos 2011-01-23 13:53
And no readers comments allowed on either story.
# enneffess 2011-01-23 10:41
Arguing in court that the reason for non-payment is down to political reasons will fall flat on its face.

There is never going to be a mass action against the BBC, and it is really worth risking a criminal record - however wrong - for the sake of a political statement?

Purplepaul - you might at some point actually get that court summons. They do happen but from what I gather (albeit second hand) they tend to target a specific area. How true that is I have no idea, but there certainly is not the resource to have vans around every street.

The SNP will never back any non-payment campaign as they would be portrayed by the media as supporting illegal actions, so you and others are on your own.
# Robert Louis 2011-01-23 13:37

Nobody, including the author was talking about the SNP backing a non payment campaign.

I think non payment of the BBC license tax is a good idea, until such times as it ceases to be a british nationalist pro labour propaganda mouthpiece.

BBC in Scotland = propaganda, masquerading as news.
# JRTomlin 2011-01-24 00:05
Is it worth risking a criminal record for the sake of a political statement?

Of course, it is. Political protesters have ALWAYS taken that risk and risked much more.

Whether it is worth that risk on this issue is up to the people who are paying this tax (and it is a tax whether they call it that or not). Obviously, I can't say that.

But to question that at times one must risk criminal penalties for political goals is -- historically and morally short sighted. Gandhi did. Martin Luther King did. The kids at Kent State who were massacred for protesting the Vietnam war risked much more.

It is a risk. I respect people who take such a risk for their beliefs.
# Dougie Douglas 2011-01-24 08:53
This is not for 'political reasons', the BBC's actions are for 'political reasons' but Fay's principled stance is concerned with the application of the BBC's own charter.

I didn't think there would be anyway that could be misconstrued!
# 1scot 2011-01-23 10:45
I have also cancelled my direct debit for the same reasons.

Well said Fay.
# Kinghob 2011-01-23 10:57
Wind your neck in effeness, are you an 'investigator' for the bbc or summit?

If not then why the blatant negativity?

The SNP are not required to back any campaign or individual decision to not pay the bbc licence fee, the pretentiousness of the labour party with the 'non payment' of poll tax where they crapped out of it is an example that shows that political parties are best left out of it.

However, your scaremongering appears unwarranted, you could discuss with the court on the very day of any supposed trial (which could be years away) and agree to pay the fee with no criminal record forthcoming (what an exaggeration you almost equate peaceful non payment as being akin to planning a terrorist act with a big bad criminal record).

Yet you could have your non payment protest and still cut a deal easily enough if it ever needs to get to court!

So to be clear, on the day of court (if it happened) you could cut a deal with the 'prosecution' (who won't give a toss as far as the 'criminal' act is concerned and be grateful) and have made a point about the undoubted bias of the bbc as stated in this article.

Are you disagreeing with the article writer?

Do you have an opinion as to why the insulting and stupid reference to Montenegro was unreported by the bbc, as far as I am aware only mentioned briefly in an interview a month afterwards?

if you are a labour supporter and quite happy with how the beeb reported Scottish news such as the Megrahi release then you should tell us all rather than sticking up for the bbc and bear in mind the bias isn't merely anti SNP (whom you chose to mention for some reason) but anti Scottish as well when you consider that the tuition fees being paid in England led to a witch hunt on Scotland as well as our government with the disgraceful stirring tone of reporting the bbbc chose.

I am not happy to have news reported this way.

I have been planning on withdrawing my payment for the bbc fee for years and will start this month-I suggest other do it, if you are scared then just stick the money to the side and simply refuse to pay it up until May as the reporting is bound to be disgraceful leading up to the Scottish election.

There is absolutely naffall the bbc can do about that except write a couple of letters and you can ignore them just as the beed ignores our misgivings about their ability to report the Scottish news fairly.

I totally disagree that there "will never be a mass protest against the bbc", in Scotland it is possible and necessary.

I am with fay on this one.
# Dougie Douglas 2011-01-24 08:56
Do you think ennefnesses comments were a gentle 'steer' ?
# Holebender 2011-01-23 11:22
If you don't pay the licence and keep quiet about it there is basically nothing the BBC can do. You have to be caught in the act of watching actual broadcast television programmes and confess to doing so before any action can be taken against you. You don't have to let anyone into your home without a warrant. And don't believe the hype about detector vans; they're a scam and the technology doesn't exist. Even if the technology worked, the BBC refuses to allow the courts to scrutinise their "detector van" evidence, so it's inadmissible.

The problem with all of the above is that's just avoiding the fee. If you want to make a protest against the BBC you have to do so in public, which essentially means confessing to your "crime". In these circumstances you have to be prepared to accept the consequences.
# Keep UTG 2011-01-23 12:27
Licence detection is based on addresses,the asumption is everyone watches TV,every address that doesn`t have a Licence will have letters sent to it and if there`s no response a visit will be generated.
There is no requirement to let anyone into your home without a warrant,nearly all convictions for Licence evasion have been because the evader has admitted it,in short, say and do nothing.

For maximum publicity i would photocopy licences and burn them outside Pacific Quay,the BBC might not cover it but others in the commercial media world might.
# Alx1 2011-01-23 17:28
And don't believe the hype about detector vans; they're a scam and the technology doesn't exist.

So what your saying is, the detector vans are Dr. Who props! Very plausible :-)
# Bobby Clarke 2011-01-24 11:43
Many vans are painted vans with an aerial on top - no more. But the technology does exist and there are a few real ones.
# rodmac 2011-01-23 11:35
I have already taken these steps around 6 months ago, and will continue my stance until I see a systematic and sustained change of policy by the broadcaster.
Personally I think I will see Cows fly above my windows first!!
In order for this action to be really effective, it has to be organised and by Mass refusing of payment for the above reasons.
The protesters against the Skye bridge tolls clogged up the Courts for months and many did not go to court at all.
In fact Robbie the Pict had the whole establishment on the run, by the time the tolls were finally dropped.
Undoubtedly mass action of this scale works, but it is much easier to ignore and hunt down individuals.
Stronger together, weaker apart!!!
# kingdavidofgovan 2011-01-23 11:41
The Venerable Bede is writing for The Express now is he?
# truth 2011-01-23 11:43
I watched an episode of Coast (a BBC produced programme) in the channel "Yesterday".

I was appalled when they were discussing Hadrians wall and described it as "not only the furthest reach of the Roman Empire, but the very end of civilisation itself"

Utterly disgusting language to use. Those north of Hadrians wall were described as "Barbarians".

They'll take our money to pay for this crap as well!

Well done to the author, I too consider the BBC to be in breach of its Charter. I too have read it in detail and consider the particular clauses you discuss to be the points breached.

My conclusion is that non-payment by people in Scotland is in fact perfectly legal, as the BBC has indeed breached its Charter on countless occasions.
# Alx1 2011-01-23 12:52

I also watched that last night, also repeated today.
I took great exception to the fact the presenter referred to the UK as a country.
# J Wil 2011-01-23 16:41
This not an exception! They do it all the time. Why would a Scottish historian presenter on the programme be party to that?

Also, there is never any indication that there was another wall beyond Hadrian's (the Antonine Wall) and that the Romans did actually come into Scotland. Another case of Scotland's history being relegated to the sidelines.

I suppose we can say that the people living in England capitulated very quickly to the Roman invasion (no guts?) and if the argument is that anyone north of Hadrian's Wall were uncivilised, the implication must be that those living south of the border were also an uncivilised lot until the Roman presence changed them.
# BeltaneFire 2011-01-24 12:13
Please note that during the Roman occupation of Britain, England and Scotland did not exist. I agree that the rumps of the population now are the descendants of the British tribes that inhabited each area. The Roman presence in what is now Scotland, was largely military, and they ventured and occupied locally far into the north, though for short periods. It wasn't safe, due to the guerilla tactics of the northern tribes. They may not have seen it as economically or militarily viable. The Romans did regard these tribes as barbarians, and most historians would only use this term to reflect Roman opinion. They would also have been familiar with Roman- British life and would have traded during times of calm. Simply, without much written evidence, we can only guess what life was really like outwith their empire. Frankly, I'm proud that we were/are "barbarians", noble or otherwise.
# Kinghob 2011-01-23 11:44
You can't get hunted down though, as an individual or group, there is very little (actually 'nothing') the bbc can do if you fail to pay a licence fee for say, six months.

What could they do? Write a letter?

Eventually perhaps, but so what?

I think that a letter to newspapers that states a mass non payment of the bbc licence fee and the reasons behind it could make an individual less anonymous without you, as an individual, having to be focussed on.

All you need is a letter that says that x amount of people (unnamed) won't pay their licence fee because of the bbc's biased reporting, citing the examples in the article for instance, and then if the bbc want to 'hunt you down' then let them!

I will be quaking under my bed with fear, or, more likely, I would refuse them entry to my house (when or if they eventually got around to visiting) and ignore their letters for a period of my own choosing.

Meanwhile their funds would be depleted because I have chosen to starve them of my hard earned cash, and that would satisfy me as a customer in Scotland who is not happy at all with their news service.
# RobQos 2011-01-23 12:29
"I think that a letter to newspapers that states a mass non payment of the bbc licence fee and the reasons behind it could make an individual less anonymous without you, as an individual, having to be focussed on."

I don't think any newspaper would print it. Especially in Scotland. I think a Facebook group could be a good way. It has the advantage of telling you how many people are committed. Then you can set a date to stop paying if enough people feel the same. Once you have a date then you post on as many internet blogs as you can and try getting comments on newspaper articles...... and of course Brian 'Blighty' Taylor's blog.
# RobQos 2011-01-23 12:50
Just checked. Looks like there are loads of stop paying the licence fee groups already. Maybe they need to be brought together to form one group.
# rgweir 2011-01-23 11:45
I have read all the posts above and come to the conclusion that the only way to bring this to the publics to inform the bbc that i am not paying them one penny to finance their propaganda machine.
When/if they take me to court i will have my chance to state my case to the media.
It would only be a matter of time before some sections of the media realised that this could grow into a national interest story and start to report it that way.
# Bambi 2011-01-23 11:51
During several hours of insomnia last night the BBC World Service news had (yet another) piece on Megrahi. Apparently the Scottish government has received 200 letters and e-mails a week regarding his release. The 'opposition' (sic) are demanding a breakdown of what dealing with this has cost the taxpayer, and are of course implying that these communications were all against the release. Talk about clutching at straws! Can we take a guess on what will be a leading item on Jock Reservation Radio tomorrow?
# RobQos 2011-01-23 12:36
Newspaper online polls on the al-Megrahi release

For release Against

Dumfries & Galloway Standard 88.4% 11.6%

Annandale Observer 73% 27%

Perthshire Advertiser 90.6% 8.4%

Ross-shire Journal 87% 13%

Scotsman 58% 42%

Lennox Herald 80.5% 19.5%

Oban Times 89% 11%

Kilmarnock Standard 72.5% 28.5%

East Kilbride News 71% 29%

West Lothian Courier 75.2% 24.8%

Hamilton Advertiser 60.3% 39.7%

Airdrie Advertiser 56.1% 43.9%

Wishaw Press 83% 17%

Paisley Daily Express 62.23% 37.7%
# Teri 2011-01-23 18:57
Looks like the ayes have it.
# Alx1 2011-01-23 12:04
A very heroic stand Fay, I hope your campaign gathers momentum and comes to a point where someone at the BBC has to take some notice.
The BBC would happily chose to ‘quietly’ pick on any individual who refuses to pay their Licence fee, but if it was a pressure group that had publicity, bad publicity that they (BBC) don’t really want, then they would be more reluctant to act swiftly on this matter and may even take notice and do something about it, a statement at least.
United we stand divided we fall, as to say.
May I suggest that you set up a web based campaign, maybe facebook, out-with newsnet as it would be seen as politically motivated by SNP supporters, to try and gather as much publicity and backing from the general public as possible.
Publicity is the key.
As I have been writing this in absence, I see many members have been posting about needing publicity. Apologise to all.

What I would like to see if the SNP are returned to power in May (which I sincerely hope so) is that they sort out the BBC out once and for all.

This arm of Westminster’s propaganda weapon should be literally dismantled in Scotland. I see even today that the licence fee is being suggested in paying for a digital channel for Scotland, but if you look at the detail, ultimate control of the BBC/new channel will still lie with Westminster.


So Westminster (the establishment) can still control the media output from the BBC when they like.

Someone on another thread on newsnet wrote that the SNP government couldn’t do anything about the BBC because it is a reserved matter to Westminster (Hmmm) But he/she mentioned that what the SNP government could do was to change the law in making non payment of the BBC licence fee a civil law rather than a criminal law, thus the BBC would have to pursue a non payer through the civil courts and would have to pay for the pleasure, an excellent idea.
This is what the SNP should do, to rid us of this vice like grip of Westminster’s propaganda arm if they are returned.

IMHO we will never get Independence until we get rid of Westminster’s propaganda machine first.

Another good thing about changing this law would be to make the BBC more accountable to the Licence payer as they would have to please/listen to all sections of society or face the consequences.
# RTP 2011-01-23 12:13
Like the BBC is Richard Baker twisting things or telling lies,today he says the Scottish Government received 10,000 messages of complaints about the release of Megrahi.Woolas?? had to resign for saying things that was untrue so where does this leave Baker.
The whole story is in the Sunday Post.
# Teri 2011-01-23 19:04
According to the Sunday Herald, Baker asserted that many were complaining about Megrahi's release. What the papers and Baker have ommitted is that many were in support of his release.
Another non story.
# Stakhanovite 2011-01-23 12:21
The link posted further above by DonaldMhor is a great example of how to tell the BBC where to go for their license fee.

Their powers are non-existent, the enforcers are just outsourced chancers, and you can deny them the right to even approach yer home. Not to mention the basic things you can do to simply ignore them and not give them a sniff of information.

Burning a license fee might have a brief impact, if any of the companies dared to publicise it, but putting them out of pocket, like any company, hurts them far more.
# Alx1 2011-01-23 12:28
Another way to evade paying the licence fee, albeit in the short term, is not to give your name and address when your buying a new TV.
Your name and address is automatically given to the licence board as soon as you buy a tele.
# Stakhanovite 2011-01-23 12:34
All the more reason to get a second-hand telly from a charity shop, 'Cash Generators' etc.
# gus1940 2011-01-23 12:51
As I stated some time ago in these forums If a group of OAP's refuised to pay their License Fee and also refused to pay any resultant fines the sight of them being dragged off to The BarL in chains while perhaps not being covered by EBC Weegie would surely be irrestible to other parts of the media.
# tartantommy 2011-01-23 12:53
I agree totally with not paying & have argued this case with my partner who pays ours, its her choice. What makes me sick is the smugness of some of their reporter's when covering Scottish Issues, they should remember who invented the bloody TV. Another thing is as DAB is rolled out across the country you have no problem receiving RADIO 1 to RADIO 7, THE WORLD SERVICE. If your expecting to receive RADIO SCOTLAND OR RADIO NAN GAIDHEAL your out of luck as these stations are on the commercial networks, thats okay if you have a large radio, if you have a pocket or personal DAB. YOUR OUT OF LUCK ,THE ARIEL IS YOUR HEADPHONE CABLE & UNLESS YOU HAVE H/PHONES WITH A A CABLE 3IN DIAMETER YOU NEED TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RECEPTION AREA TO GET A DECENT SIGNAL. I like my music, sport &I think BBC SCOT has a good selection though I do not listen to their news or their politics programs because they'er RUBBISH

# RandomScot 2011-01-23 13:03
If Fay and others argue the case, not on politics, but on the BBC breaching its charter, then they have a basis for a defence.

The court may reject it, but it is probably a good line to take.
# rgweir 2011-01-23 13:05
I at times listen to LBC(londons biggest conversation)on line or if i am out on my personal dab radio.
LBC is a talk station that covers the greater london area and i find that most of the callers who phone in seem to think that the uk starts and ends in london and the south east.
# Alx1 2011-01-23 13:26
Can anyone assist me.

I'm trying to copy and paste an image onto here, but I don't have the option to paste on here when I've copied an image from elsewhere.

# Stakhanovite 2011-01-23 14:03
The fifth button along, just above the text box for your message, is for images. Right beside where abc is scored out. It'll let you enter a URL for your image there.
# Alx1 2011-01-23 14:07
URL being the website address for the image?

Can't do that I have copied image onto my desktop and there is no URL for the image.
# Holebender 2011-01-23 14:10
Just copy the URL (website address) of the image, then paste it here with [img ] and [ /img] before and after it. (You should remove the spaces I put in the img tags.)
# cynicalHighlander 2011-01-23 14:54, bbcode users guide and tricks on implementing it:
# Alx1 2011-01-23 14:13


This is courtesy of the Telegraph, on the Blogs section.
I think a Scottish dimention needs to be added to the comments section.
# Stakhanovite 2011-01-23 14:17
If you only have it on your PC, you could consider uploading it to a site like

This basically lets you upload it and you get a web address for the image. You can then stick the address into the image box option here and have it displayed.
# RobQos 2011-01-23 14:17

Use this site Alx1. Upload the image then it will give you the URL to copy onto this site.
# RobQos 2011-01-23 14:18

# G. P. Walrus 2011-01-23 14:30
Non-payment of the licence fee is not a crime per se unless accompanied by the action of watching TV without said licence.
An eminent and leading member of society, a Mr. Purcell of Glasgow City Council, recently claimed publicly to have used cocaine. It is believed that Strathclyde police have seen video evidence of this. However, as Mr. Purcell has not been apprehended in actually using cocaine, the police appear unable to proceed with a prosecution.
Similarly, despite Fay's brave confession above, I cannot see how a prosecution can succeed without her being observed in the act of "using" a TV in an unlicensed state.
# cjmasta 2011-01-23 14:50
writing to the BBC to tell them why you will no longer pay the licence is a stroke of genius. I seriously doubt they will make an effort to persue you because dragging you through the courts could open a can of worms and start a campaign by many against the political bias we have to endure day to day from what has become a propeganda machine for the british state.
# cjmasta 2011-01-23 14:51
I should have said the failing british state.
# cynicalHighlander 2011-01-23 14:52
Cranmer: Is the BBC in thrall to Islam because of a Saudi landlord?: .../is-bbc-in-thrall-to-islam-because-of.html

So, UN good; EU good; Socialism good; Green good; Palestine good; taxing the rich, good; government spending, good; Margaret Thatcher, evil; Al Gore, saint. Obama, messiah.

The logical corollary of this?

National sovereignty, bad; the ‘forces of conservatism’, bad; euroscepticism, ‘swivel-eyed’; Israel, rogue state; climate scepticism, irrational; Tony Blair, good; George W Bush, idiot; Sarah Palin, demented hussy.
# taimoshan 2011-01-23 15:30
I'm sick to death of the print and broadcast media in this country. The story of about a Scottish tv channel is reported in the "Scottish" Sunday Express -" planning to plunder cash fro TELEVISION licence fee payers". The English edition "planning to plunder cash from ENGLISH licence fee payers". The media in this country is disgraceful. I've stopped buying the Scotsman and Sos.
What next for Scotland? A Labour desert!!!!!!!
# gus1940 2011-01-23 17:22
On the program about the priests on Barra that twit Nigel Farrel made a comment on how Henry VIII's Reformation never reached Barra.

He seems to be unaware that The Scottish Reformation was home grown and didn't take place so that some guy could get a divorce.
# Stiubhart 2011-01-23 17:54
Quoting gus1940:
On the program about the priests on Barra that twit Nigel Farrel made a comment on how Henry VIII's Reformation never reached Barra.

He seems to be unaware that The Scottish Reformation was home grown and didn't take place so that some guy could get a divorce.

My tweet last night after watching a recording of the programme...

Stewart Lochhead
Watched "An Island Parish" on BBC TV. Its about Barra & South Uist. The commentary included 'Henry the 8th's reformation which set in motion the sweeping away of Catholicism in so many other parts of the country simply never reached this outpost' When was Barra part of Henry's country?
22 hours ago · LikeUnlike · Comment
# rog_rocks 2011-01-23 17:41
I agree with this, they have no respect for our country why should we pay for it.

Banned Heh, well the BBC have ceased to receive payment from me, PC's are being installed and as from May, it shall be illegal for BBC Broadcast TV services to be transmitted to my premises.

As a result other broadcast TV companies shall suffer, however for a clear conscious I would rather bar the BBC!
# claymore 2011-01-23 18:11
Can we not all individually raise a small claims action against the BBC for up to £3000 as compensation, it doesn't cost much and the publicity would be great???
# robbie 2011-01-23 18:54
As a Glasgow north resident I would like to ask.

What the F!ck a is a BBC tv licence?
# gedguy2 2011-01-24 22:11
# peter,aberdeenshire 2011-01-23 18:57
RTP 2011-01-23 12:13
Like the BBC is Richard Baker twisting things or telling lies,today he says the Scottish Government received 10,000 messages of complaints about the release of Megrahi.Woolas?? had to resign for saying things that was untrue so where does this leave Baker.
The whole story is in the Sunday Post.

The sunday post today is full of attacks on the SNP government while publishing nice things about Labour and its members, Sad to see the way this paper has deterioirated since appointing the ex editor of a unionist daily rag. It makes a mockery of their editorial policy statement hwere they claim to have no political allegiance.
# Robabody 2011-01-23 20:12
Yes indeed Peter and did you notice the headline about the oil off Rockall? It could belong to the UK. Fancy that.
# Vronsky 2011-01-23 19:08
The growing terror of nothing to think about...

I suppose someone ought to state the bleedin' obvious - you don't need a TV, and your quality of life would improve enormously if you just flung the one you've got into the nearest skip. Why not sit and talk, play with the kids, go upstairs with a book, or see if anybody in the room wants a story or remembers the words of a song?

No? Nobody? That's what the telly does, leaves you empty. Switching it off leaves you staring vacantly at your knees. In that vacuum, what to do, what to say? Switch it on again soon please, soon.

From East Coker ( T S Eliot),

Or as, when an underground train, in the tube, stops too long between stations
And the conversation rises and slowly fades into silence
And you see behind every face the mental emptiness deepen
Leaving only the growing terror of nothing to think about;
Or when, under ether, the mind is conscious but conscious of nothing—
# antiparasiticherb 2011-01-23 19:50
Well done!

I've not gave them a penny for 13 years, plenty of letters demanding payment or else! And no more than 3 door knocks from chimps masquerading as new romes loyal thought control enforcers have gave me nothing to worry about.

I can't realy see the police enforcing warrents for everyone on their list and if they do I would admit to having a TV that was only just purchased the day before they arrived, case solved for them and no fine for me, only hassle I could see with that situation would be finding time to cancel the bbc licence direct debit after maybe one payment...
# Robabody 2011-01-23 20:13
Well done Fay.
# Alx1 2011-01-23 21:07
Off Topic;

West coast of Scotland hit by 3.5 magnitude earthquake.

Elmer & the BBC blames the SNP saying
"the SNP should have been prepared and prevented this earthquake"

Only joking-the Elmer bit :-)

Do we have a Minister for earthquakes?
# Soloman 2011-01-23 21:24
Off topic, I see according to the Independent that Gordon Brown has called the police!

Perhaps he knows where the missing log from the Glenrothes by election is!
# rgweir 2011-01-23 21:30
Itthink this was just after he became PM.
# cokynutjoe 2011-01-23 21:51
Kenneth Roy leads a talk on the Megrahi affair at Glasgow Concert Hall, Tuesday @ 12.30 pm, as part of the Celtic Connections.
# Hirta 2011-01-23 22:18
The Permalink on the current BBC homepage says "Scots and English renew battle - over Wallace letter"

You then click on the (clearly changed to attract attention) permalink and we have this:

And ?
# Keep UTG 2011-01-24 09:08
Off Topic,but i see we have an Official Newsnet Scotland Facebook site

Please sign up and get as many friends as possible to do the same.
# DonaldMhor 2011-01-24 09:16
How many working detector vans? A reassessment

The member of the public's FOI request that led to the disclosure of 32 documents was submitted in July 2006; the request was for documentation that "…stretches back to the beginning of 2004". So, the 32 documents may cover a period as long as 30 months, from the beginning of 2004 to mid-2006.

The Information Commissioner says the 32 documents include emails, file notes and other TV licensing documents. These extra documents are all referred to in the plural, so there must be at least two of each, therefore accounting for no fewer than 6 of the 32 documents. This leaves, at most, 26 authorisations for detector van deployment.

26 authorisations in 2½ years compels a reassessment of the previous estimate that there are 26 detector vans, for each van could have been used, on average, only once in that lengthy period. Not even the BBC can be that inefficient. So, the conclusion may be drawn that that there are fewer than 26 vans.

In May 2009, the BBC awarded a new contract for detector vans. The contract award (read in full here) includes the following sentence:

The objective will be to enhance the current fleet of vans by building a further fleet of vans (minimum of 5) to come into service from April 2009.

The contract award says that the BBC currently has one fleet, and wishes to add a further fleet. It identifies the figure of five vans to a fleet, or possibly six, since it specifies five as the minimum. This implies that, prior to 2009, the BBC had five or six detector vans.

With this figure in mind, it is worth recalling the promotional picture of detector vans that featured on contractor dB Broadcast's website in 2006 (since removed). This shows precisely six vans:


At the time of the photo, it was assumed that these were six of the 26. But when considered against the evidence contained in the Information Commissioner's report and the contract award, this photo may be more accurately interpreted as showing the entire fleet.


(1) Between 2003 and 2009, there were six working detector vans. Each of these was deployed several times a year. This low number of vans and deployments accounts for the BBC's view that release of this information would end their deterrent effect.

(2) In 2009, the BBC commissioned five more working vans. Thus, as of 2009, there are eleven vans. This does not preclude the possibility that the new fleet is replacing ("enhancing" in the contract award) the previous one, in which case there will fewer than eleven working vans.

(3) In addition, there are dummy or publicity vans that appear in supermarket car parks and other public places. Since the working vans are used so infrequently, it is likely that they spend most of their time in this capacity. At least two vans seen performing this role (see Detect the Detector vans, LT03TYV and Y254CGO) are of the type in the above dB Broadcast photograph.
# fay fae fife 2011-01-24 10:53
Thanks everyone for the supportive comments. I could've mentioned so many more examples, but limited myself to two A4 pages in my letter to the BBC.

Although I'd ranted about it, er... I mean discussed the issue, for months, my husband wasn't too pleased at me cancelling the direct debit and becoming a 'criminal' when our first child is due in just a couple of months, but it was important to me to stand up for my principals and he seems to be supporting me at the moment.

I'll take on board the suggestion to set the money aside in another account - this is not about not wanting to pay it is about not wanting to fund the poor excuse for reporting we are subjected to on BBC Scotland. That's why I've not lied and said I've got rid of my TV (I still watch other stations but no longer any of the BBC channels as I am no longer paying) but have outlined exactly why I do not feel the organisation is living up to its Charter and therefore why I should not pay.

I almost hope they do try to take me to court so that I can make all of the above points and more to a wider audience!
# Blanco 2011-01-24 12:52
Well done Fay, join the club. You are braver than me though because I ditched the telly years ago. However I feel it will involve someone going to court and arguing that the BBC fails to meet its charter to make the BBC take this issue seriously.
# Giles 2011-01-24 15:02
Well done Fay. I read recently, the Northern Irish Catholic community stopped paying the TV licence tax during the "Troubles"

The BBC had a news blackout on this action in case the other regions would follow suit. No action was taken as far as I know. However I would be interested to know just how many in NI are still withholding this Tax.

I wish I had saved the article alas. Anyone enlighten me on this.
# Clydebuilt 2011-01-24 17:03

I expect Iain Hamilton will defend you in court should the
need arise.
# cynicalHighlander 2011-01-24 18:00
I suspect this is framed in the BBC news editors office.

Thirteen Techniques for Truth Suppression:
# gedguy2 2011-01-24 20:40
How dare you! This cannot be applied to the BBC newsroom in Scotland because I have only recognised 12 out of the thirteen used by the BBC. Therefore, it is up to you to prove this, and it is far too complex for anyone to get a clear answer; any way it is old news and there are more important issues which should be discussed. After all this is just rumours and I suspect that you may have ulterior motives for posting this website. You are probably just trying to make political capital out of it and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that money may have been paid. Even if there were some 'mistakes' one can only be led to the conclusion that nothing illegal has happened and anyway we all know about the conspiracy minded cybernat nuts who rant on all the time.
Is that about right?
# cynicalHighlander 2011-01-24 21:47
Mmm which is the odd one out? Glenn took weeks scouring over the pond to find these all at tax payers expense.
# gedguy2 2011-01-24 21:51
Number 11 when they are talking about the 'Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms'; we don't have that. Seriously though, every one of them can be applied to the UK government with the tacit approval of the BBC who refuse to dig into a story.
# GrassyKnollington 2011-01-24 23:40
lol, liked this one

"Dummy up. If it's not reported, if it's not news, it didn't happen."

I wish the BBC response to my complaint about their Montenegro non coverage had simply said that. At least it would have been honest.
# davidferguson1 2011-01-25 01:40
Well done Fay. I will be joining you in this the minute I get back to Scotland. I hope you will be one of many thousands.
# For Scotland 2011-01-25 21:06
I have been subjected to a speil by a 'representative' on behalf of of the Licensing board, he tried to verbally bully and insult telling me it was my duty to have a licence, I informed him of my views on the BBC and their utter bias against SNP and Scotland. He then when I was not going to back down asked me how I obtained my news if not from BBC I told him I have a computer he then cross questioned me on my web visits I was only to pleased to inform him depsite paying the same as those who get up to 10 mb I could not achieve one and no I did not view BBC or indeed any TV channel on my computer, it does not have a Tv card I did not bother to inform him of that one.
His parting shot was I would be hearing from procurator fiscal, so far 8 months down the line I have not, a reminder arrived last week.
I will go to court if required I will not back I really to be truthful am past caring and would welcome a day in court so I could question the legality of the BBC and its treatment of anything Scots and their distortion and lies which flow out daily.
# gedguy2 2011-01-25 21:15
I would advise you to get a solicitor if you go to court and instruct him/her to give the reasons you have already given.
# Talorgan 2011-02-01 23:18
I ditched television nearly 25 years ago and have probably lived a happier life as a result. It is strange that the link between non-viewing and Nationalism is not stronger.

Whether you decide to become a non-viewer (perfectly legal) or an evader (against the laws of the British) be sure to swot up here:

and here:

The BBC and TVL are linked in the same way that the Nazi Party was linked to the Waffen SS.

Writing to BBC-TVL is as ridiculous an idea as Jews writing to Himmler to protest about their treatment. These are not reasonable, law-abiding people. Be sure to read about TVL's fabrication of evidence to secure convictions.

No Contact. No evidence. No conviction!

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