By G.A.Ponsonby 
 
So BBC Scotland has decided to correct the errors contained in an online article it published on Saturday.

Fully two days after one of the most blatant pieces of politically motivated articles ever published by the state broadcaster appeared as the number one story in Scotland, the corporation quietly removed the offending fiction and replaced it with fact.

The corporation’s decision to amend the headline and text on a Nicola Sturgeon interview piece is a small victory for those of us yearning for mature and objective reporting from the state broadcaster.

However, that it took fully two days before any action was taken on what by then was a piece that had most probably been read by tens of thousands of Scots, and perhaps even more English, is indicative of the malaise we have highlighted repeatedly on this site.

For those unfamiliar with this latest example of BBC Scotland’s very own unique take on what constitutes professional journalism, here is a brief explanation.

SNP Depute Leader Nicola Sturgeon was interviewed by BBC Scotland’s Brian Taylor as a prelude to the SNP Conference in Glasgow last weekend.

The Saturday morning interview was a typical format with viewer’s questions being read out by BBC Scotland’s political editor and Ms Sturgeon answering them.

Mr Taylor asked a question on the banking crisis and how an independent Scotland would have coped.

Here, for those unfamiliar with the exchange is what was said:

The answer, whether you agree with it or not, was clear, Scotland could have coped with the banking crisis and would have worked with England to avert catastrophe, the same way as other countries had with banks that crossed their jurisdictions.

There was another point contained in Ms Sturgeon’s answer, the fact that America, Australia and Europe all contributed to the saving of RBS.  Indeed as revealed by Newsnet Scotland as far back as July 2011, the US Federal Reserve contributed a total of $600 billion to the bailout of both RBS and HBOS.

However, here is how BBC Scotland reported Nicola Sturgeon’s answer.

Relied on? - It must rank as one of the most blatant examples of misrepresentation ever witnessed at the hands of BBC Scotland, and that’s saying something.  How BBC Scotland managed to interpret Nicola Sturgeon’s words in this way simply beggars belief.

Within hours of the story taking its spot at the top of the corporation’s Scottish online news, staff were fielding complaints.  Newsnet Scotland were alerted by several readers and we watched to see if the article would be corrected.

For two full days nothing was done, until Monday when by then the story had disappeared from the main news page.  BBC Scotland quietly removed the offending headline and edited the article beneath to more accurately reflect the words of Scotland’s Deputy First Minister.

In doing so, BBC Scotland had demonstrated yet again a corruption that is eating away at its very heart.

But it didn’t stop there, for eagle eyed observers will notice a peculiarity on the amended version of the article – the date/time stamp.  Look closely and you will see that BBC Scotland have given as the latest update to the article the afternoon of the interview - 10th March.

The BBC use the 24 hour clock, so anyone looking at this item will be forgiven for thinking that BBC Scotland corrected their online news story within hours of the 09:30 interview.

In fact the actual date/time of correction was two days later on Monday 12th March at around 21:00.  News media monitoring site NewsSniffer logs the change at 21:10 – although this may be an estimate.

So, not content with passing off misrepresentation as factual news, BBC Scotland have tried to cover their tracks by showing a wholly inaccurate date/time for the last update.

On Tuesday Newsnet Scotland invited three senior figures at BBC Scotland to explain how this article came to be published and why the corrections were carried out surreptitiously.  Our emails were sent to Nicola Sturgeon’s interviewer Brian Taylor, BBC Scotland online editor Tom Connor and their boss John Boothman.

We requested a read receipt and one duly arrived from Mr Connor, so he clearly received and almost certainly read our email.  Neither Mr Taylor nor Mr Boothman have responded.

We asked four questions of the online article:

  • Was the interviewer, Mr Taylor, aware of the wording in the original article prior to it being published and did he agree with it?
  • Did BBC Scotland online editor Mr Tom Connor sanction publication of the original article?
  • Who decided that the original headline and wording needed to be corrected and why did it take two days to correct it?
  • Why has no apology or correction been published by the BBC?

We are realists and do not expect an answer to any of our questions.  We will consider taking the matter further if we do not.

Online news stories on BBC Scotland are frequently updated.  This is normal given the dynamic of certain stories and the continual flow of information as events become clearer and facts emerge.

However this was a static interview that required minimal journalistic prowess in order to establish the thrust of Nicola Sturgeon’s answer, the meaning was clear and it was not going to change.

The BBC may defend their ‘inaccuracy’ by pointing out that the video was available alongside.  However, how many people would have taken the time to listen to 20 minutes of a thirty minute political interview to hear what was actually said for themselves? - people trust the BBC to report honestly.

Most people would have read the headline and formed their opinion, some would have read the article, all would have been left in no doubt that Scotland could not afford a bailout.

In fact the liability for the bank bailout was not, as Brian Taylor suggested, £60 billion.  The liability to Scotland for RBS and HBOS would have been closer to £1 billion – an unreported fact (unless you count Newsnet Scotland and Newsweek Scotland) and one that blows the Unionist scare story over the banking crisis out of the water.

And it’s this aspect of this episode that is most disturbing.  This was the start of the SNP Conference in Glasgow, it was an opportunity for the SNP to communicate its message to a mass audience. 

The banking collapse has been a fundamental plank of the Unionist attack on an independent Scotland.  Given the importance of this issue to the referendum debate it is vitally important that comments and arguments are reported accurately.

BBC Scotland didn’t do this.  Instead they set about manufacturing an article that was so at odds with the meaning of the comments it purported to be relating to an unsuspecting public, that one has to conclude that it was deliberate.

How can this be so, you might ask?

The answer is that BBC Scotland must now be considered politically corrupt.  The London controlled Scottish outpost is now so badly contaminated that almost every political news item should be treated with caution.

Why has this happened?  A mixture of fear perhaps – good honest people knowing that their career will stall should they speak out. 

Other explanations include the political leanings of some of the station’s high profile reporters and chiefs. 

In a Scotland where support or sympathy for the SNP usually resulted in the career ladder being kicked away it wouldn’t be surprising if those of a Unionist bent tended to climb higher than those less inclined towards Britannia.

Many will recall respected journalist Iain Macwhirter complaining of being ‘black listed’ by BBC Scotland because he was deemed to have been too fair to the SNP.  The claim was of course denied, but Macwhirter spent some considerable time out in the broadcasting wilderness.

There are now so many examples of BBC Scotland’s tabloidisation of political news, where stories are managed, suppressed, embellished and selectively reported that it’s now impossible to list them.

Only last night [Tuesday] saw former Labour First Minister Jack McConnell ‘interviewed’ on Newsnight Scotland and allowed to fire off the usual attack on the SNP’s referendum plans, but no-one from the independence movement was invited on to put the counter argument.  STV on the other hand allowed Stewart Maxwell from the SNP to respond to McConnell, good for them.

BBC Scotland is measuring itself against a set of broadcasting benchmarks that were designed pre-devolution, they are not only not fit for purpose – they have become corrupt.

When the first Labour/Lib Dem administration was elected in 1999 the template was adequate only because there was no effective opposition to the majority Unionist chamber.

In 2007 cracks began to appear in BBC Scotland’s façade as they tried to force it to fit a changing Scottish political landscape in the aftermath of a minority SNP administration.

In 2011 the façade was shattered completely and we are now witnessing the result of decades of decay and lack of reform.  What little quality programming there is, is to be sacrificed in favour of bland predictability, expect more ‘interviews’ with the likes of Jack McConnell and Michael Moore and even more football and violence.

Any news site can make errors.  Newsnet Scotland has done so in its time - and has apologised for its error.  However, any organisation which distorts the comments of a Minister to such an extent and, in response to protests, simply alters its text days later without any apology is not worthy of its reputation as a balanced source of news.

One interview, one contrived story and no apology – a metaphor for all that is wrong with BBC Scotland.

 

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Comments  

 
# Aucheorn 2012-03-14 23:34
This article is excellent and needs to be given coverage in the dead tree press.

I will be sending a copy to my local paper.
 
 
# Clydebuilt 2012-03-14 23:34
Great article, says it all.

Email it to your address book.

Spread the word
 
 
# Vincent McDee 2012-03-14 23:34
Oh tempora, oh mores!

The habits of our time.

Mendacity, mendacity and always mendacity.
 
 
# A_Scottish_Voice 2012-03-14 23:47
BBC Scotland are not fit for purpose. They are failing the people of Scotland.

They should hang their heads in shame.
 
 
# RTP 2012-03-14 23:50
I wonder if BT will have the decency to appoligse live on air at the start of FMQs or will it be the same old story ,Lab did well today.
 
 
# Vincent McDee 2012-03-15 13:18
Well, he didn't and it is. Actually he may not be wholly aware of the sub-editors antics with the online versions.

"Nothing to tell here but another labour success, move along!"
 
 
# Angry_Weegie 2012-03-14 23:53
The difficulties in getting a pro- independence message broadcast or printed are well known, though we can hope that things will start to change as the prospect of a yes vote becomes more likely and the news media seek to retain their market and influence in an independent Scotland.

However, I fear that it is too late for BBC Scotland. They have reached such a low point that they cannot be redeemed. They seem to have got so used to twisting every piece of news to suit an anti-independence agenda that you can't really see how they can ever change.

After independence, SG may seek to retain the BBC infrastructure, but the news staff's jobs are on a shoogly peg.
 
 
# Jiggsbro 2012-03-14 23:54
However, that it took fully two days before any action was taken on what by then was a piece that had most probably been read by tens of thousands of Scots, and perhaps even more English,

Let's not forget that the original headline was tweeted by BBCNews and retweeted by individual BBC journalists, and that the original article was linked to by countless other sites (quoting only the original headline), none of which will have updated their links.

In the internet age, a lie can be all the way around the world, leaving muddy footprints everywhere, before the truth has even remembered where its boots are.
 
 
# Holebender 2012-03-15 03:31
Very good point.
 
 
# chicmac 2012-03-15 09:34
Aye, they are always sneaky that way. Like the non availability of SNP PPBs on iplayer during the election campaign when everyone else's was. They covered their arse by having them available on a much lesser known site.

Ditto the 'technical fault' on the main BBC website for the SNP conference just there, but its availability on the lesser know political page.

Propaganda 1.0.1. You only need to fool most of the people most of the time.
 
 
# tartanfever 2012-03-14 23:57
I hadn't realised they had altered the time stamp as well. Thats just inexcusable.

Well done NNS, about time the BBC was called to answer for it's diabolical news and political coverage.
 
 
# chicmac 2012-03-15 00:01
Shared on FB and donation sent.

Also repeat a new FB page for a demo against the BBC Jockland propaganda unit.

www.facebook.com/.../
 
 
# IamLiamto 2012-03-15 09:01
Quoting chicmac:
Shared on FB and donation sent.

Also repeat a new FB page for a demo against the BBC Jockland propaganda unit.

www.facebook.com/.../





How about a rally on Glasgow Green followed by a march with pipe bands to Pathetic Quay, it would be hard to ignore that?
 
 
# chicmac 2012-03-15 13:41
Sounds a good suggestion to me although a fair old hike. The organisers do seem to have definite ideas on the campaign, at least in terms of stating what they don't want, but why not suggest it on the page?
 
 
# ubinworryinmasheep 2012-03-15 00:06
Has anyone emailed this to The Sun ? I know we should have nothing to do with them but if they are a tool then why not. It is a major story the state broadcaster misrepresenting the government of a country.
 
 
# tartanfever 2012-03-15 00:11
Quoting ubinworryinmash eep:
Has anyone emailed this to The Sun ? I know we should have nothing to do with them but if they are a tool then why not. It is a major story the state broadcaster misrepresenting the government of a country.


We should bloody well send it to the Leveson Inquiry !
 
 
# IamLiamto 2012-03-15 09:14
Quoting ubinworryinmash eep:
Has anyone emailed this to The Sun ? I know we should have nothing to do with them but if they are a tool then why not. It is a major story the state broadcaster misrepresenting the government of a country.




DONE!
 
 
# J Wil 2012-03-15 00:28
The silence of Brian Taylor is astonishing. He is being accused of gross manipulation of the news yet he says nothing in his defence. He is always very ready to brag about his education at St Andrews yet continues to demolish his reputation with activities which should shame any journalist.
 
 
# Exile 2012-03-15 08:33
J Wil, he was attempting to manipulate the news already DURING the interview. I used to be taken in by his fake bonhomie. He's actually one of the bad guys. Sold his soul. There's no doubt about that now.
 
 
# X_Sticks 2012-03-15 10:42
I used to have some respect for him too Exile, but no longer. He has become a member of "the establishment". I don't think he cares of much now except his exceptionally good pension, and the probability of a bauble from Brenda.
 
 
# Exile 2012-03-15 21:40
Brenda?
 
 
# oldnat 2012-03-15 22:34
Brenda is the Private Eye nickname for the Queen. It isn't only nats who can be disrespectful of the Establishment!
 
 
# J Wil 2012-03-15 16:51
We need a final, 'toodle oo the noo', from him.
 
 
# dogcollar 2012-03-16 00:15
nice one J will just noticed your post but still a good line
 
 
# Roll_On_2011 2012-03-15 00:33
OT

In the space of a few weeks another warning has been made against the UK AAA ratings.

guardian.co.uk/.../...

George Osborne faced fresh questions about the credibility of his austerity policies just days before the Budget on Wednesday night, when Fitch became the second of the major credit ratings agencies to warn that the UK's coveted AAA-rating is at risk.

Echoing the recent decision by Moody's to place the UK on so-called "negative watch", which signals that it could be stripped of AAA status, Fitch said a weaker than expected recovery in the economy could jeopardise Osborne's chances of tackling the debt burden.
 
 
# Vincent McDee 2012-03-15 08:39
Hi Roll

Yours read like maybe having missed this article about the ratings: newsnetscotland.com/.../..., have a look, is myth defusing.
 
 
# Old Smokey 2012-03-15 00:33
This is an absolute disgrace and I think drives a final nail into the BBC's so called unbias facade!
To report and provide an erronous headline on its own interview was bad and was a digrace as it was. But to then correct the lie, without so much as an apology, just rubs dirt into the wound, but not only that they try and cover it all up by actually altering the time stamp, just smacks of something more darker than just being eithe plain bias or being stupid
 
 
# Dougie Douglas 2012-03-15 00:47
"There are now so many examples of BBC Scotland’s tabloidisation of political news, where stories are managed, suppressed, embellished and selectively reported that it’s now impossible to list them"

That's exactly what Newsnet needs to do.
 
 
# Roll_On_2011 2012-03-15 01:27
I have fired off an email to Lord Patten that includes this articles link.

His contact details can be found at the following link:

www.parliament.uk/.../28731

By the way GA a great ‘investigative’ article, as one would expect from you.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-03-15 01:59
I wonder if Brian's Big Debate will be compromised over this issue on Friday? Will the SNP rep step up to the plate and ask him about it?

I must remember to listen in.
 
 
# balgayboy 2012-03-15 03:18
When I watched the BT interview he asked NS what would happen to the BBC if Scotland became independent....I was hoping that NS would respond by saying that they would all be sacked or they would be expected to relocate to London where their masters reside. Fortunately NS is extremely diplomatic and gave a politicians answer, although I'm not so sure that it was totally sincere..hope not anyway.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2012-03-15 08:02
The sad thing is, many of the people who work in the BBC are good people, but sadly the culture of fear and political gerrymandering is in charge.
 
 
# km 2012-03-15 05:07
Been waiting for a while for the gloves to come off, hopefully this is it. The most blatant piece of falsehood and misrepresentati on to date by the BBC. Sincerely hope that the SNP officially wades in, though I'm sure there are things going on behind the scenes.

Incidentally, I just checked newssniffer.co.uk directly (i.e. I did not follow the link in the above article, just went to their website and searched for "Sturgeon"), and it indicates that the article has not changed from the original. Your link clearly shows differently, though. Maybe a propagation issue on the web???
 
 
# Holebender 2012-03-15 05:38
When I searched the newssniffer site for "Nicola Sturgeon banks" The original BBC headline comes up. I can't figure out how to get to the article from the headline though!
 
 
# Roll_On_2011 2012-03-15 05:59
km

Incidentally, I just checked newssniffer.co.uk directly (i.e. I did not follow the link in the above article, just went to their website and searched for "Sturgeon"), and it indicates that the article has not changed from the original. Your link clearly shows differently, though. Maybe a propagation issue on the web???

Check again

If you type the following into the search engine you will get a result:

Sturgeon says an independent Scotland would have worked with UK on RBS bailout

..
 
 
# mountaincadre 2012-03-15 07:48
O/T or maybe not, is it just me or does anyone else have a feeling of de ja vou on the BBC's coverage of call me Dave's visit to America, i ask because it reminds me of another UK great leaders visit just before we decided that Iraq needed to be liberated,"from it's oil".
 
 
# Robert Louis 2012-03-15 08:00
My thoughts exactly. Face to face is the best way yo disiucss sensitive matters, like Iran, oh, and what might happen if Scotland becomes independent and gets rid of the WMD's located on the clyde.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2012-03-15 07:59
Thank you, thank you, thank you, to all of you who work at Newsnet Scotland.

This corrupt, repeated and blatant gerrymandering of Scottish political affairs by the BBC, always to the detriment of the SNP or the pro independence cause, is just wrong in a democracy.

The BBC is, and has been since 2007, in breach of its charter and therefore should no longer recieve taxpayer funding.

Write to your MP, complain like mad, phone the BBC (politely) on 03700 100 333, and publicise this anti democratic and dishonest behaviour by the BBC. The more certain high level people get continually notified of this, the better.

You might also like to suggest in the consultation on the referendum for the Scottish Government, that you think their needs to be European monitors of broadcast output and the referendum in 2014. Make a noise.

Their was a time, when foreign nations regarded the BBC as honest and accurate, but those days are long gone.

Scotland deserves better. Much better.
 
 
# Roll_On_2011 2012-03-15 08:29
OT

Well, well what a turn up… Oil has just been discovered of County Cork (RoI).

independent.co.uk/.../...

I wonder if the good ole UK will be bombing their airports as well. Well we know what the Brits are like when it comes to the smell of oil.
 
 
# Exile 2012-03-15 08:37
The poor Irish will be clamouring to rejoin the UK. How can they cope with such a volatile asset? Best let those 'chaps' in London handle it, dontyaknow.
 
 
# gopher3 2012-03-15 08:50
The sectors of sea will be re-drawn,the wells will suddenly be in English part.
 
 
# Rusty Shackleford 2012-03-15 13:14
This just in, Irish Boundary Commission to be reinstated after 87 years.
 
 
# Dundonian West 2012-03-15 14:12
Quoting Roll_On_2011:
OT

Well, well what a turn up… Oil has just been discovered of County Cork (RoI).

independent.co.uk/.../...

I wonder if the good ole UK will be bombing their airports as well. Well we know what the Brits are like when it comes to the smell of oil.

Quoting Roll_On_2011:
OT

Well, well what a turn up… Oil has just been discovered of County Cork (RoI).

independent.co.uk/.../...

I wonder if the good ole UK will be bombing their airports as well. Well we know what the Brits are like when it comes to the smell of oil.

Quoting Exile:
The poor Irish will be clamouring to rejoin the UK. How can they cope with such a volatile asset? Best let those 'chaps' in London handle it, dontyaknow.



GREAT NEWS for Ireland,land of mum and dad's birth.
Now we're over here in Scotland, the same for us?
Exciting times.
Good luck Ireland.
 
 
# BillDunblane 2012-03-15 08:32
Another reason why we MUST keep on pushing to have comments re-allowed on BBC articles - they still won't give a reply as to why.

Extract of an email from Daniel Maxwell:

"Thank you for getting in touch. If I may explain our thinking on this then please allow me to do so. I have disabled the comments on both the Brian Taylor and Douglas Fraser correspondent pages as a rule of thumb. In the interests of allowing people to comment on our stories I have decided to enable comments on a wider range of stories - a recent example being minimum pricing. By not having comments automatically included on two pages it enables us to pick other stories with comments enabled."

Despite further emails from myself, he refused to comment further.

No doubt many of you have had the same reply.
 
 
# tartanfever 2012-03-15 09:00
Bill, have you just received that reply ? It's exactly the same as the one I received some 3 or 4 months ago.

If you have , my reply to Daniel Maxwell would be to question why, since the blogs closed down last October, have their only been approx. 6 stories that we have been able to comment on, and of those, most of them are non-political ?

Thats hardly giving us a bigger choice ?
 
 
# BillDunblane 2012-03-15 09:16
tartanfever - I did indeed receive that particular reply at the beginning of December, and was thereafter given the equivalent of a brush-off. billdunblane.com/.../...
 
 
# MAcandroid 2012-03-15 10:29
I think everyone with a website should use the power of Twitter and reTweet these articles.

Evidence is growing which demonstrates that Twitter can
also help with your search ranking. An experiment by SEOmoz (mz.cm/v8Vaix ) appeared to indicate that a link from a Tweet was a more powerful influencer of
Google’s organic rankings than the same link from a website.
With thanks to Jim Byrne who's excellent book is worth getting hold of "Twitter for Charities, non profits and the voluntary sector." jimbyrne.us1.list-manage.com/.../...
 
 
# edinburgh quine 2012-03-15 08:52
I made my weekly visit to the BBC Scotland site yesterday and was given the opportunity to take part in an online survey.

On the question, what did I like least about the site, I answered:
“You ask if I talk about this site to others; well only to highlight political bias. An example of this was earlier this week a headline stated "Nationalists cheered up by Salmond". Whatever else the Scottish National Party needs, it's not 'cheering up'. The EBC can take this to their london masters; morale in the SNP is very high and members are motivated and 'cheery'. This was a infantile attempt by the EBC to talk down the SNP. A disgrace, given that my money goes towards funding this rubbish.

And yes, in the last couple or so years I have learnt something new from EBC Scotland. They are biased in favour of their labour colleagues. This can be confirmed with the number of their presenters/commentators etc who are/were card-carrying members of said labour party.”

Will the EBC care about this. Probably not, but I felt a wee bitty better afterwards.
 
 
# Vincent McDee 2012-03-15 09:02
Don't miss this People:

thedailymash.co.uk/.../...

"Why I am leaving the Empire"

by Darth Vader.
 
 
# Dalriada 2012-03-15 09:26
Maybe it's time that TV license payers staged a protest outside the BBC to highlight the unethical anti SNP/Scottish independence bias of the state broadcasting company.
 
 
# D_A_N 2012-03-15 12:20
We're working on it.. A date will be announced very soon. join the page www.facebook.com/.../

We're currently looking for a good articulate speaker to address any media who can accuse the BBC with tact as to not alienate the public who still trust the beeb. If anybody thinks they could achieve this, please step forward
 
 
# GerrySNP 2012-03-17 02:01
Aged, but still with a working brain and a voice-box - I would be happy to be involved. You can contact me at
gerrysnp@hotmai l.com
 
 
# hiorta 2012-03-15 09:27
The BBC are dishonest to the core - their political allegiance rooted in another country and beyond repair.

Their semantical acrobatics might be seen as eccentricity were they not politically inspired. Within a Charter of 'democracy' too.

Had such deceit been carried out in the financial field, it could well be termed embezzlement.
 
 
# Roll_On_2011 2012-03-15 09:30
OT

Meanwile back at the NuLabour funny farm they are arranging the deck chairs on the titanic:

guardian.co.uk/.../...
 
 
# the wallace 2012-03-15 09:46
And to think that some people on hear think that there shouldnt be a protest at pathetic quay,i wonder if they are still so reticent?
 
 
# tartanfever 2012-03-15 10:31
I think your over simplifying the issue. I think the majority of people here think that a protest would be a good thing, however the question that some have asked, myself included, is how we approach such a protest ?

I've argued that a blanket call on BBC Scotland on political bias against the SNP could actually backfire and help to promote the 'cybernat' myth, which could turn many people away from supporting such a protest.

However, to question the quality of BBC Scotland's news reporting is a different matter and could help in support from a wider range of the population.

The BBC can report in whatever manner they see fit, there's actually very little to stop them. The format for complaining to the BBC Trust is over complicated and requires a number of complaints to be made by an individual firstly to a person within the BBC and then a further complaint to the BBC Trust. It can take months for anything to actually happen, and if the BBC admit they were wrong, it's often not reported or highlighted in any meaningful way.

In my experience of working for the BBC and having seen the way they operate, I doubt that there would be much chance of actually making them change their ways.

So an alternative approach would be to then try and engage the population in to questioning the quality of the news reporting. If people start doing this, then it doesn't matter what the BBC write and report as the seed of doubt will be firmly planted into the minds of the people. Thats an achievable aim.

There's no point in starting a campaign and with your opening shots you alienate half of the people you are trying to persuade. With over two years to the referendum, there's plenty of time to orchestrate and plan.

So my idea would be to start with a non-specific protest, based around the general quality of news reporting and possibly the fact that the budget to BBC Scotland is being cut again. Highlight that Scotland sends down much more money to the BBC coffers in Westminster than we actually receive back. Question the job opportunities that our underfunded state broadcaster actually provides for media graduates and freelance workers in Scotland. Highlight the lack of regional news reporters and coverage.

These broad criticisms will gain much more support in the first place than an outright claim of anti-SNP bias could. Get as many people on your side in the first place. The more people that start to question what is reported on BBC Scotland, the less effective it becomes as a media outlet.
 
 
# snowthistle 2012-03-15 10:45
Well said Tartan, we have to get the general public to a tipping point and if we are seen as paranoid conspiracy theorists we will have lost that chance before we start. Joe public has to be much more aware of what is going on than they are at the moment before we play hard ball.
Softly softly catchy monkey. We have two years to go, we don't need to rush.
 
 
# weegie38 2012-03-15 15:09
Criticising the QUALITY of BBC Scotland's output is definitely the way to go IMO. I remember a similar "convenient blunder" with their poll of party policies at the start of their Scottish election coverage last year: they initially claimed all the policies in the poll had been taken from the party manifestoes - which would have required the powers of Nostradamus, because the SNP's wasn't published until the week after the BBC poll.
And the Scottish documentary output is simply awful nowadays - tacky 'poverty porn' like The Scheme being a prize example. It's not just biased, it's biased rubbish.
 
 
# Dunnichen685 2012-03-15 19:43
Good point tartanfever

When you consider that the BBC is effectively a British Government mouthpiece there really is not much we can do to about its anti-SNP stance.

This may sound a little paranoid but when you think about it the Government (through the BBC) actually OWNS your Television so the BBC can broadcast whatever propaganda it wants. You buy a TV but it's not yours because you have to buy a TV licence to use it and therefore fund the BBC which is the state broadcaster.

At least we have the Internet which more and more people are using nowadays. Sites like Newsnet Scotland are surely the best way to get the pro-independence message across and hopefully counter the BBC Unionist bias.
 
 
# GerrySNP 2012-03-17 02:11
Comment on the two points above:
The BBC has its reputation to uphold and its Charter to stand by.
Remember that it gained its reputation from its professional standards (which I for one actually believed that Brian would stand by- stupid me!)
And its reputation for being honest and independent from Reith's unwillingness to follow Government diktat during the General Strike - he refused to obey Churchill's attempt to stop the BBC reporting the Press releases of the TUC.
I still expect Patten to intervene in this matter and sort out the claque at Pacific Quay - but then I thought that Brian was an honest professional journalist, so maybe I may face disappointment there too.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-03-15 10:03
You do wonder if the BBC, having set their anti-independence agenda in breech of their rules, are then supported wholeheartedly by their staff or are they going along with it under duress?

If people are under duress then surely the BBC are also in breech of their duty of care to them.

Another BBC Scotland reporter has come on the scene recently, surname Daly. Where have I heard that name before?
 
 
# Barbazenzero 2012-03-15 11:47
Quoting J Wil:
Another BBC Scotland reporter has come on the scene recently, surname Daly. Where have I heard that name before?


Minder, perhaps? The collective similarity with Arthur of that ilk is compelling.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-03-15 13:59
Wasn't there a solicitor by that name who appeared regularly on BBC Scotland, tub thumping for the Labour cause?

Sorry wrong Daly. Just my suspicious mind working overtime. I was thinking of the Govan Law Centre Dailly.
 
 
# RTP 2012-03-15 10:11
Very O/T.

Trump sons’ holiday snaps of trophy kills

The sons of billionaire businessman Donald Trump provoked outrage among animal lovers after posing with trophy kills during a hunting holiday in South Africa.

Is this what Daddy Trump means when he says he will do every thing to stop"Mad Alex" from destroying Scotland.The two sons are shown in a photo with there kill,animal lovers are not very amused.
 
 
# alexb 2012-03-15 10:11
The B.B.C are only one arm of the establishment being mobilised to counteract the rise of Scottish nationalism. Believe you me, this is only the start of the dirty tricks campaign by those who want the union to stay as it is, with us being subservient to Westminster. This will continue, and become more obsessive until the referendum takes place, with lie after lie being peddled as fact, both in the broadcast medium, and in the national press. So we better start getting used to it, as there will be powerful figures ranged against us, backed by substantial cash reserves. They, the establishment have made it clear they don,t want us to succeed in our aim, so for the two years it,s going to be a rough ride, and as the man said, "you aint seen nothing yet".
 
 
# Marga B 2012-03-15 10:18
A bit O/T, but on the subject of press freedom, Iain MacWhirter's piece in the Herald says this among other thiings:

heraldscotland.com/.../...

"The danger is that legitimate investigative journalism will become almost impossible because of statutory legislation, while anything posted willy nilly on social media sites is effectively exempted from the same repressive laws."
 
 
# Vincent McDee 2012-03-15 13:25
Good point.
Now, is NNS a social media site? Because if the answer is yes, we should invite Iain to publish here to avoid repression.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-03-15 14:22
OK, but I hope he is not suggesting that the authorities should clamp down on the internet as, 'two wrongs don't make a right'.

However, I do think they will be working very hard on that. It's great if it's someone from China or Syria spilling the beans on their governments activities, when our MPs can then stand up in parliament and pontificate about it, but not when it's applied to them.
 
 
# mealer 2012-03-15 10:22
Thanks for this information.As always,I'll make a point of passing it on,verbally,whe n the opportunity arises.And on line,of course.
The power of NNS lies not in the forum for us to chat to one another.But for us to gather facts and spread them throughout Scotland.
One other point.Yes,we phone or email the BBC to complain about bias.But do any of us ever contact STV to congratulate them on fair and unbiased reporting? I havent,but I'm going to start.It may be more effective than complaining to the State Broadcaster.Could someone provide an email address for STV ?
 
 
# MAcandroid 2012-03-15 11:13
Take your pick from here: www.stv.tv/contact/
 
 
# Suomi 2012-03-15 10:23
I agree that the media (especially BBC) are guilty of misleading on this topic.However,the issues of bank regulation and currency unions need to be explained clearly to the public by pro-independence groups.There is a need to explain:

1) Why it is being proposed that Scotland should continue to use the pound Sterling.

2) Since a currency union of sterling is being proposed,to what extent does a Scottish government have full fiscal autonomy?

3) What does full fiscal autonomy mean,and why is it important?

4) What influence will the Bank of England have on the fiscal powers of an independent Scottish government?

5) Can Bankers actually put contraints on independence,an d what are those constraints,as suggested in an article in Scottish Times.

6) What is the solution to resticting the in fluence of Bankers?

There are some very interesting articles in Scottish Times about those topics,although I am not certain that they provide comprehensive answers to my questions.Then again,like most people out there,I am not an economist.The challenge is to communicate with the public in a language that they can understand.
 
 
# snowthistle 2012-03-15 11:00
When our two economies are reasonably well aligned, as they are now, there are benefits to having a shared currency. Easier to compare prices of components,serv ices,delivery etc, no volatile exchange rates to deal with, lower transaction charges, simplified billing, no need for separate accounting systems, all that kind of thing. So when we are reasonably well aligned it benefits both countries to share a currency.
Problems start if the economies diverge and one economy starts to struggle and needs to devalue and lower interest rates in order to stimulate growth. You would probably have in place rules to limit deficit which would further hamper attempts to stimulate a flat economy.
A situation not unlike this occurred during Thatcher's time when the north/south divide opened and high interest rates favoured the buoyant southeast but were disastrous for the north, killing off investment at the time it was most needed.
Independence would mean that RUK or Scotland could adapt to these scenarios which we cannot do at the moment.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2012-03-15 13:57
Ireland linked the Irish punt to Sterling following independence, from 1928 to 1978. Although it was called the punt, Ireland did pretty much what the FM is talking about, regarding Scotland's curreny.

If we consider for even one minute how acrimonious the independence of Ireland was (UDI, troops and so on), and yet they formed a monetary union with Sterling, then I really cannot see why it would not be a good idea for Scotland to do the same.

I have a feeling many people, including politicians do not know that the Irish punt was in a Sterling monetary union for 50 years.
 
 
# Mark MacLachlan 2012-03-15 10:25
Those of you on twitter might want to inundate OFCOM with the following...

Dear @Ofcom when @bbctrust does nothing about blatant @BBCScotlandNew s political bias, who do you turn to? newsnetscotland.com/.../...
 
 
# tartanfever 2012-03-15 10:47
Mark, you raise a very good point. Anyone who has decided to complain about the BBC may have visited the OFCOM website only to find that you cannot complain about the BBC to them, the complaint must be made to the BBC Trust to deal with (in relation to bias reporting). Here's a link to the OFCOM page that says that:

consumers.ofcom.org.uk/.../...

However, in some issues, OFCOM will take complaints and issue rulings about the BBC, the most notable one recently being the Jeremy Clarkson comments on 'The One Show' about public sector workers going on strike.

It seems that the complaint of 'bias' is the one issue that SHOULD be examined by an independent body and not by the 'so-called' independent BBC Trust.

So I would encourage people to follow Mark's advice and not only tweet to OFCOM, but to email them and write to them about the actual structure of complaints and which organisation deals with what issues.
 
 
# grumblingtummy 2012-03-15 10:53
Good one Mark. Tweet now sent.
 
 
# jim288 2012-03-15 10:44
I was listening to Radio Scotland news in the car at 5pm on Sunday feeling good as I drove home after an excellent day out on Lochnagar. There was a fine report about Nicola Sturgeon's speech at the SNP conference with a line or two from it played live. Nicola was in great inspirational voice. It was immediately followed by a brief report of an article by someone connected with classical music (didn't catch his name) writing in the Catholic Herald where he called Alex Salmond " A snake-oil salesman".

My immediate (outraged) thought was that it showed how far wide and deep the BBC had to search to come up with a nasty bit of name calling. It's only purpose seemed to be to end the conference report with a negative rather than a positive.

It may not reach the same audience as Reporting Scotland etc but it is indicative of the BBC mindset.
 
 
# Brechin 2012-03-15 11:19
I didn't hear the particular broadcast, but I'd put money on the composer being James McMillan. They wouldn't have had to look to far to find him. I'm sure he's on speed-dial and can be relied upon to come up with some ill-informed bilge on a regular basis.
 
 
# Angus 2012-03-15 10:45
Quoting Mark MacLachlan:
Those of you on twitter might want to inundate OFCOM with the following...

Dear @Ofcom when @bbctrust does nothing about blatant @BBCScotlandNew s political bias, who do you turn to? newsnetscotland.com/.../...

Well said Mark.
This also gets the message through to most people with only a passing interest in politics.
I was at a college re-union recently, the Independence debate came up, it was interesting to see that so many people saw the BBC and ITV as being sponsored by the brit state, telling lies, scaremongering and being generally untrustworthy!
 
 
# grumblingtummy 2012-03-15 10:51
As well as the bias charge, I'd also like to add on another point. Journalists in the employee of BBC Scotland are genuinely not up to the job.

For example, take this story released a few days ago:

bbc.co.uk/.../...

The journalist has now comprehension of the difference between a Bill and an Act. For people to be prosecuted it must be an Act - crime reporting 101.

I've already complained about this factual inaccuracy in the article.

Complaining about every inaccuracy, not just the political bias, will provide even more ammunition in the fight to show this news organisation is genuinely not fit for purpose.
 
 
# Mark MacLachlan 2012-03-15 11:04
Thanks Tartanfever and Angus.

It's about building critical mass. The blatant attempt described above is akin to the photograph BBC Scotland changed in the run up to last May's Holyrood election.

After the following page was spread far and wide:

.../whatever-happened-to-subtle-propaganda.html

lo and behold the following day this happened:

.../what-difference-day-makes.html

All we have on our side is social media, go to the BBC Scotland and OFCOM facebook pages

www.facebook.com/.../

www.facebook.com/ofcom

Both have walls that allow comments, and spread the above simple message.
 
 
# Welsh Sion 2012-03-15 11:25
O/T

1) I see that that great English/British national icon, the White Cliffs of Dover are starting to fall into the sea. Draw your own analogies with regard to the future of this crumbling 'United' Kingdom...

2) Plaid Cymru will announce their new leader in the National Assembly for Wales today. Look out for interesting developments in my home nation soon.
 
 
# Suomi 2012-03-15 11:33
Welsh Sion,from what I have seen Leane Woods looks like the best leadership prospect for Plaid.I look forward to the result with great interest
 
 
# Welsh Sion 2012-03-15 15:55
Stop Press:

Leanne Wood on the 2nd ballot is new Plaid Cymru Leader.

bbc.co.uk/.../...

Leanne Wood 3,326 votes
Elin Jones 2,494 votes

(Lord Elis-Thomas eliminated on the 1st ballot)

Expect some radical new thinking from the Welsh Nats from now on. And Leanne is younger than me - so all is good!
 
 
# Marga B 2012-03-15 16:43
She looks like a wind of change - hopefully will mean the SNP is not fighting a lone battle against the present regime any more.
 
 
# Teri 2012-03-15 19:56
Great News Sion. I do hope she can reinvigorate the party and get the people of Wales motivated.
 
 
# call me dave 2012-03-15 23:03
It is too!
But Scotland is rising up.

We wont be here to see it though.


telegraph.co.uk/.../...
 
 
# Davy 2012-03-15 11:28
Just a little thought, when people start to refer to the BBC as the EBC, I find that a bittie bias, as many of my friends down south in England have no idea of how BBCScotland is precived by many of us here in Scotland. Would WBC "Westminster Broadcasting Corporation" not be more accurate, or am I just splitting hairs. (hard todo when bald).

Also what would the BBC become after independence ??? ideas
 
 
# Welsh Sion 2012-03-15 11:33
NOT the WBC - that would have implications for my nation... More like, SEEBC - South East England Broadcasting Corporation.

I did however like the idea that during the Malvinas Conflict, that the islanders used to listen to the Falkland Islands Broadcasting Service.

And with all due respect, MAcandroid, you can't have a 'dead corpse' - I think you're over-egging the pudding there :)
 
 
# Exile 2012-03-15 22:01
Sion, do you mean you CAN have a 'live corpse'? Are you familiar with the 'Scottish' Labour Party, by any chance?
 
 
# Welsh Sion 2012-03-17 12:17
Ha ha - if you want the 'Scottish' Labour Party IS a 'live corpse' - populated as you know better than me, by zombies, the living dead, then who am I to disagree?

As for the Lib. Dems., their symbol must surely resemble the dead parrot of Monty Python!

Good luck in your Wooden Spoon decider with Italy.

Yours,
 
 
# Jiggsbro 2012-03-15 11:34
Quoting Davy:
Also what would the BBC become after independence?


There are no plans for the BBC to become independent.
 
 
# Welsh Sion 2012-03-15 11:37
That has made me Laugh Out Loud - for real! Thanks for that.
 
 
# snowthistle 2012-03-15 11:35
Davy,
I often think that the London based BBC is actually less biased than the Scottish BBC at Pacific Quay
 
 
# Dundonian West 2012-03-15 11:45
Quoting snowthistle:
Davy,
I often think that the London based BBC is actually less biased than the Scottish BBC at Pacific Quay


I have thought that on many occasions,but haven't posted anyting here re London,lest I was displaying signs of paranoia.
So------I'm not the only one who has picked up on this.
I'm lucky,in that I can switch between London South East News/Politics, and BBC Scotland.
The difference in quality and lack of bias between Labour and Tory is astonishing.
BBC down south,is indeed the BBC of world renown.
Devoid of BBC Labour incestuous bias we have here.
Lord Patten---do a Hong Kong on them.Weed them out.
 
 
# Holebender 2012-03-16 05:11
I have to disagree. Sure, the BBC down south is less biased towards a specific political party, but they completely ignore anything outside the M25. Their Londoncentricit y is legendary.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-03-15 14:12
I'm sure the London based BBC are happy to leave it to the forward troops to do the dirty work. It keeps them out of the direct line of fire. BBC Scotland, it seems, are happy to comply.

The tactic has parallels in other spheres of influence too.
 
 
# Dundonian West 2012-03-15 14:19
Quoting J Wil:
I'm sure the London based BBC are happy to leave it to the forward troops to do the dirty work. It keeps them out of the direct line of fire. BBC Scotland, it seems, are happy to comply.

The tactic has parallels in other spheres of influence too.


I'm happy to leave it with Patten for a while longer,benefit of the doubt and all that.

I await,but not for too long.
 
 
# admiral 2012-03-15 12:20
Quoting Davy:
Just a little thought, when people start to refer to the BBC as the EBC, I find that a bittie bias, as many of my friends down south in England have no idea of how BBCScotland is precived by many of us here in Scotland. Would WBC "Westminster Broadcasting Corporation" not be more accurate, or am I just splitting hairs. (hard todo when bald).

Also what would the BBC become after independence ??? ideas


You could still refer to it as the BBC - the Biased Broadcasting Corporation. Or the UBC - the Unionist Broadcasting, etc.

After independence, it will become redundant.
 
 
# GerrySNP 2012-03-17 02:19
I still like the title that the great, lamented Oliver Brown gave them - he called it "the Anglo-saxaphone"
 
 
# Dundonian West 2012-03-15 11:53
PS.I'm donating to newsnetscotland now,to keep this site going----the only source of truth in the Scottish media currently available.
I can't afford much,but hope it helps.
I'M SO ANGRY about this.

Some day soon,this BBC/Labour in Scotland alliance must be ended.

Lord Patten,we're waiting.
 
 
# snowthistle 2012-03-15 12:03
FMQs just started
 
 
# RTP 2012-03-15 12:41
No apology from Taylor then before FMQs
 
 
# Alba1314 2012-03-15 12:47
1984

O/T No mention on the EBC site of the final demise of the GCC Labour you would have thought this would have been headline news no instead they are currently spinning the loss of VAT exempt status for the new Scottish Single Police Fire and Ambulance services and trying to Blame the Scottish Government not Westmonster, ye couldnae write this stuff oops!!! they just did the "Rose Tined" liebour glasses are working well at pathetic Quay
 
 
# davidferguson1 2012-03-15 13:10
You guys keep complaining - and it's hardly surprising, as there's another example of BBC Scotland bias to complain about pretty much every day now.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - complaining will achieve nothing. BBC Scotland DO. NOT. CARE. Nothing will change.

Newsnet is the only media site that will give any profile to the problem, and Newsnet's reach is minimal in comparison to BBC Scotland's. They won't even bother to reply to your mails.

We can expect more propaganda every day from now till the referendum. I've said my piece, and I've said what I think needs done. I'm ready to stand up and be counted.

The ball is in your court.
 
 
# Independista 2012-03-15 17:55
I have just copied this story and sent it to Allmediascotlan d.com. In an opinion piece by Blair Jenkins, he calls for more regulation of the media.
I hope they print it as it is widely read in the Scottish MSM.
www.allmediascotlan d.com/index
 
 
# Ready to Start 2012-03-15 13:32
A good test of BBC's impartiality is to have a reasonably balanced panel on to-night's BBC TV Question Time from St Andrew's.

The hottest debate in Scotland is on the constitution so the 5th "non political" member of the panel should be pro independence to balance the three anti independence panellists.

I won't hold my breath but lets tweet, email during the programmes if it turns out that there are 4 anti Independence spokespersons.

But then BBC may not allow parochial Scottish questions to be beamed to the UK audience when there are lots of local issues in London to discuss.
 
 
# bigbuachaille 2012-03-15 14:03
Here is an excellent article on BBC Scotland bias. There are plenty of links to other sources too. theregulus.co.uk/.../...
 
 
# Dundonian West 2012-03-15 14:26
Quoting bigbuachaille:
Here is an excellent article on BBC Scotland bias. There are plenty of links to other sources too. theregulus.co.uk/.../...


Thanks for this excellent link re BBC bias.
 
 
# lochside 2012-03-15 14:04
I don't understand the reluctance of some people on here to publicly challenge the BBC by having a peaceful, but well-attended and media covered rally/demo. This fear of being branded 'cyber-nats/ nuts' displays the usual Scottish cringe. What else would any normal nation do, when faced with State-sponsored lies? Probably a lot worse than gather in the usual embarassed way that we do. We are even asking for good public speakers for God sake! This hardly smacks of a potential unruly mob turning up to raze Pacific Quay to the ground. So come on, let's get this thing going and agree to all on here to try to turn up the day!
 
 
# tartanfever 2012-03-15 15:39
I don't understand the reluctance of some people on here to publicly challenge the BBC

I've read the majority of posts on here and I don't read any reluctance to demonstrate. If your referring to my post, you will read that I claim 'demonstration is a good thing'.

My point is about broadening the scope of the reasons why a demonstration is taking place and I offer, in this post and others I have made, some suggestions as to other areas that we may look for complaint.

I personally don't fear being called a 'cybernat', but I think I make a fair point that many people in Scotland may not look on this name as a favourable term nor indeed, one they may wish to be associated with.

If you wish to demonstrate on the sole basis of political reporting bias, then I fear that all that will happen is that you will draw people to make choices based on their political persuasions rather than taking the time, and an objective frame of mind, to fully consider the arguments you put forward.
 
 
# D_A_N 2012-03-15 15:51
We have a campaign mate. We will be announcing a date very shortly. Pacific Quay protest, already have couple of hundred people signed up. Not necessarily all gonna come which is why we need more and more people to join..

Please sign up if you're on facebook

www.facebook.com/.../
 
 
# Jiggsbro 2012-03-15 17:31
Quoting lochside:
This fear of being branded 'cyber-nats/ nuts' displays the usual Scottish cringe.


No, it really doesn't. It displays a rational assessment of the impact and effects of a demonstration. A demonstration can be ignored as fanatics; just look at the huge anti-war demo or the anti-fees demos. They achieved nothing and the media focussed not on the issues, but on rubbishing the demonstrators. There is a problem with the BBC but it will not be addressed by waving some placards. Demonstrations against the establishment (and the BBC are very much the establishment) are routinely ignored and smeared by the MSM. Demonstrations can only work by raising awareness of the issues, and if the MSM don't want the issues raised, then the demonstration is futile.

Demonstrations don't work. Anger doesn't work. Public speaking doesn't work if the public don't get to hear you.

Evidence works. Reasoned argument works. Overwhelming numbers of complaints work. Using social media works. Innovative ways of spreading the message and embarrassing the target works. The law works.

Demos don't.
 
 
# lochside 2012-03-16 15:51
The Law works? and demos don't.' Sorry but demos can and are legal. Demos= the people..so let the people speak publicly, just make sure you have enough of an audience and interested media (STV and foreign tv?). You can still give reasoned arguments in a public forum. Remember political hustings,when candidates had to justify their policies to all and sundry, before stage-managed political party rallies became the norm?
 
 
# Dundonian West 2012-03-15 14:33
A MUST LOOK.BBC.
"What does the BBC stand for?".
Harmless question.

theregulus.co.uk/.../...

Essential bedtime reading for BBC workers.
 
 
# Islegard 2012-03-15 14:42
Following independence and the Scottish Government takes its proportion of the BBC. I anticipate a need to sack the lot of them.

I know some people say they are just poor drones reporting what they have to to pay the bills. I think that's a crock. Also there are journalists in other countries with oppressive, anti-democratic regimes which control the media and use it for propaganda. Journalists in those other countries risk their life and their families lives to stand up for freedom, democracy and journalistic integrity.

I would also query whether the UK can still be considered a democracy with its control of and abuse of the media.
 
 
# the wallace 2012-03-15 19:06
Islegard,Well said m8,my thaughts exactly.
 
 
# Dundonian West 2012-03-15 15:10
BBC JOBS.WORK FOR US.
"The BBC exists to provide the best quality content to our audience. As a public service organisation, funded by the licence fee, we’re not out just to make money. This allows us to remain true to our original mission to inform, educate and entertain. People at the BBC take this mission seriously and we expect everyone to put our audience at the heart of their work. Working at the BBC is not for everybody. It’s for those with real creativity, an urge to innovate and a desire to meet the needs of a truly diverse range of audiences."
Courtesy of BBC website..
 
 
# tartanfever 2012-03-15 16:00
The BBC website is full of information about it's own processes that can be used to question their standards.

For instance, the BBC College of Journalism - part of the BBC Academy has many online tutorials available for budding journalists. I've just been watching a video tutorial from Huw Edwards on 'how to write headlines' - and he talks about 'hooking the viewer' , ' diversity of news', 'teasing viewers and leading them on a little' and many other topics. It's worth a look.

Link here:

www.bbc.co.uk/journalism/

For the Huw Edwards video, look under the skills section.

The website can also be accessed via a link from the bottom of all the BBC's news pages.
 
 
# alicmurray 2012-03-15 15:53
Very good piece of work. Just paid my donation into your bank account.
 
 
# Wee-Scamp 2012-03-15 15:55
Question Time :

On the panel: the former leader of the Liberal Democrats Charles Kennedy MP, the leader of the Scottish Conservatives Ruth Davidson MSP, Labour's Frank Field MP, the SNP's Humza Yousaf MSP and the broadcaster and journalist Janet Street-Porter
 
 
# Welsh Sion 2012-03-15 16:23
Quoting Wee-Scamp:
Question Time :

On the panel: the former leader of the Liberal Democrats Charles Kennedy MP, the leader of the Scottish Conservatives Ruth Davidson MSP, Labour's Frank Field MP, the SNP's Humza Yousaf MSP and the broadcaster and journalist Janet Street-Porter


OMG - Good luck,cybernats!
 
 
# dillond666 2012-03-15 16:30
frankfield.com/.../...

I guess Frank will be hostile to us?
 
 
# Dundonian West 2012-03-15 16:25
Re BBC Scotland.
FIRST CLASS journalism top of page.
Now Mum and Dad back in Glasgow have sent a few pounds in--newsnetscotland .
Let's keep this site going.It's worth it's weight in gold.
Link near top right of the page.
'Truth will out.'
 
 
# AWoL 2012-03-15 16:35
I agree the standard of reporting on BBC Scotland is an utter disgrace.
The trouble is that "nationalism" is just not terribly PC.The mere mention of the word tends to induce bad attacks of the vapours in the outwardly delicate but inwardly mail-fisted cosmopolitan bigots that currently have control of the airwaves.
Of course their jobs are on the line. If independence comes, then the vast majority on the creative side will have to be removed. I suspect they know that.

The correct thing to do is to kick up a fuss and demand airtime and make our own programmes. It might not achieve a lot in practice, but you don't know until you try, and it's bound to dent the confidence of any visitors and interviewees if they are met by a chanting mob.
 
 
# AWoL 2012-03-15 16:43
Support the campaign against BBC Scotland.
 
 
# Mako 2012-03-15 16:44
Newsnet Scotland.

It would help if you had a Direct Debit payment method. I would sign up for monthly donations. Is this in the pipeline?

We do have several methods to facilitate donating, we would ask that you use the 'contact us' button for more details.
Many Thanks - NNS Mod Team
 
 
# X_Sticks 2012-03-15 17:07
I see the BBC article is still being shown as "Sturgeon says an independent Scotland would have relied on UK for RBS bailout" on the "spotlight" on Google News.

Wonder who provides the headline, BBC or Google?
 
 
# dillond666 2012-03-15 17:41
Each time Newsnet highlights the BBC misreporting of the facts I show it to my colleagues. I am happy to report that they are all very cynical now when it comes to believing the BBC. Tackling this a few people at a time does work. We have two years to encourage people to critically analyse the news before accepting it as news. Lets keep busy!
 
 
# Hirta 2012-03-15 17:51
O/T - my local rag has an open letter on front page asking Joyce to go now: www.falkirkherald.co.uk/
 
 
# call me dave 2012-03-15 19:33
Quoting Hirta:
O/T - my local rag has an open letter on front page asking Joyce to go now: www.falkirkherald.co.uk/


Yes that's more like it!

I might add if it were any MP or MSP the message should be the same.

But will the decent thing be done?
 
 
# westie7 2012-03-15 18:16
Soundbite from John Swinney at the end of the lunchtime news piece from the conference in Dundee. The BBC cut it short so that it sounded like JS was "Admitting Responsibility" for his predictions from 2008/09 for youth employment not materialising.

Blatant, subtle, and BIASED
 
 
# pictic-1 2012-03-15 18:19
Not living and working in Scotland but somewhere else in the world, we MANY "foreign ambassadors" also want to contribute actively to the independence cause.

Could someone send / show me the phone numbers and e-mail addresses of the relevant complaints depts. of the BBC Scotland.
The beeb is the really dodgy one, the Scotsman et al maybe biased just as much as the beeb but they're at least fairly predictable in the way that they do it.

I'll get hold of the SNP and see if they can send some material over here for private distribution. Scots returning home need to be informed before they get back.

Thanks in advance ...
 
 
# brusque 2012-03-15 19:35
Quoting pictic-1:
Not living and working in Scotland but somewhere else in the world, we MANY "foreign ambassadors" also want to contribute actively to the independence cause.

Could someone send / show me the phone numbers and e-mail addresses of the relevant complaints depts. of the BBC Scotland.
The beeb is the really dodgy one, the Scotsman et al maybe biased just as much as the beeb but they're at least fairly predictable in the way that they do it.

I'll get hold of the SNP and see if they can send some material over here for private distribution. Scots returning home need to be informed before they get back.

Thanks in advance ...


You can contact the BBC Complaints on 03700 100 333, good luck:-)
 
 
# Marga B 2012-03-15 21:45
Sion - Went to an excellent and packed lecture by Adam Price (Plaid) tonight in Barcelona about small nations. The new Plaid leadership was announced to an enthusiastic meeting.

This is not irrelevant here - let's remind ourselves of one of Adam's campaigns (taken from wikipedia):

"Broadcast news controversy

"In August 2007 MP Adam Price highlighted what he perceived as a lack of a Welsh focus on BBC news broadcasts.[12] Price threatened to withhold future television license fees in response to a lack of thorough news coverage of Wales, echoing a BBC Audience Council for Wales July report citing public frustration over how the Welsh Assembly is characterised in national media.[13] Plaid AM Bethan Jenkins agreed with Price and called for responsibility for broadcasting to be devolved to the Welsh Assembly, voicing similar calls from Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond.[12] Criticism of the BBC's news coverage for Wales and Scotland since devolution prompted debate of possibly providing evening news broadcasts with specific focus for both countries.[12]"

Wasn't there a Scottish report too? Whatever happened to it?
 
 
# Robert Louis 2012-03-15 22:13
The new leadership of Plaid Cymru, will hopefully re-ignite the drive for Welsh independence.

Much harder for London if it needs to fight the desire for independence on 2 fronts.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2012-03-15 21:58
o/t

Regarding oil.

Here is a nice wee quote from the Fpreign office, as reported in Argentina;

"Hydrocarbon exploration is a legitimate commercial venture and the British government supports the rights of the Falkland (Malvinas) islanders to develop their hydrocarbons sector,"

The FCO also said;

"This right is an integral part of the right of self-determination, which is expressly contained in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights,"


It seems the inalienable rights for exploiting oil, apply only to the Falklands, and most definitely NOT to Scotland.


Source;

buenosairesherald.com/.../...

See also;

buenosairesherald.com/.../...

It would seem the London Government wishes to apply double standards, in that in the South atlantic, oil exploitation and self determination are apparently rights which London strongly supports, but in Scotland the answer is NO.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-03-16 03:52
It would be a good thing to point this out to the wider public in a letter to The Herald.
 
 
# Roll_On_2011 2012-03-15 22:39
OT

The New Statesman has a revealing article on Labour in Scotland’s deafening silence on Trident:

newstatesman.com/.../...

Yet in their speeches at the Scottish Labour conference in Dundee earlier this month, neither shadow defence secretary Jim Murphy nor shadow foreign secretary Douglas Alexander made any reference to Trident whatsoever. Instead, both chose to defend the proposition that Britain plays a positive role in global politics, with Murphy even boasting about the UK's bloated military budget. What's more, the new Scottish Labour leader Johann Lamont also omitted to mention it, as she has done consistently since being elected in December. In fact, during last year's leadership contest she was the only one of six candidates (including those standing for the post of deputy leader) who declined to respond to a letter from Scottish CND on the subject.
 
 
# Legerwood 2012-03-15 22:39
It would appear that Mr Cochrane is back to business as usual in his column in the on-line DT

telegraph.co.uk/.../...

Seems to be old news. Comments are disabled for 'essential maintenance'!
 
 
# SCOTLAND YES 2012-03-15 23:05
As predicted BBC Question Time has 4 anti independence panellists via one SNP.

BBC bias plain to see.

They can't be allowed to continue in this fashion for two and half years
 
 
# snowthistle 2012-03-15 23:17
I loved the text message from someone in Shetland which said that only four unionists to one nationalist was unfair to unionists
 
 
# Legerwood 2012-03-15 23:23
The 3:1 is seen as an advantage by the Unionists and is the reason they will not combine their No campaign behind a common leader. Also allows them to spend 3:1.

It is more than likely that the people of Scotland will get fed up with it. After all if you spout rubbish 3 times in a row more people are likely to see it as rubbish.
 
 
# D_A_N 2012-03-15 23:08
independence questions on QT seemed pretty damn fair today. Obviously outnumbered, but the entire show isn't about independence. so.. it makes sense.
 
 
# Angry_Weegie 2012-03-15 23:27
But we still ended up with a mocking and condescending description that the whole independence argument was all about getting an extra £500, which no one on the panel except Humza Yousaf felt the need to argue against.
 
 
# D_A_N 2012-03-15 23:36
yeah... The way I would explain it is that most people would like independence, they are only unsure after years and years of been told we can't afford it. The £500 better off is simply a saying, if we were okay financially would you want independence.
comment edited by NNS Mod Team


I'm still sticking by the fact as far as BBCs standards go, it wasn't too bad.
 
 
# amfraeembro 2012-03-16 00:18
I don't see anyone volunteering that they'll vote yes/no over £500, but if people are asked by a pollster with an agenda...

ps £500 is a LOT of money to some people, but obviously not to Frank Field.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-03-16 03:50
Is there anyone in Britain that is not concerned about income, their mortgage, their pension, their childcare fees, their jobs?

It is only natural to put money high up the agenda. It's all they talk about in the media these days.

To many folk independence is like a religion and other matters, like money, are not the only or even the primary concern.
 
 
# xyz 2012-03-16 00:38
Who brought up the fatuous 500 pounds richer thing? Was it not a unionist? It's glib way of trivialising the whole independence debate .. and it works for the unionists .. look how long that idiotic question was aired. It needs to be slammed as an absurd trivialisation. Independence is about prosperity, fairness, opportunities for the people of Scotland and no more being the host to the parasite that is Westminster.
 
 
# Stan Drews 2012-03-15 23:11
O/T
Question Time time...
Did you see Dumbledore wince when the audience applauded Humza Yousaf's comment on voting for 16/17 year olds?
 
 
# D_A_N 2012-03-15 23:19
true. I saw him wince at something else too though. Trying to remember what it was. He was pretty well behaved otherwise though.
 
 
# Caadfael 2012-03-16 10:04
The young man front and centre (beard and glasses)caused dimbles to crease his brow somewhat and drew good applause!
 
 
# From The Suburbs 2012-03-15 23:17
DAN Ah but where is Johann Lamont ?

Humza is a rising star but only third tier SNP yet Labour in Scotland scared to put anyone up against him
 
 
# Legerwood 2012-03-15 23:20
i cannot remember any Labour MSP being on QT. Maybe Wendy but not sure. Labour always seems to send someone up from London HQ.

One time it was Lord Faulkner.

Not a great faith in their Labour MSPs
 
 
# D_A_N 2012-03-15 23:28
that's a good point.. But not necessarily down to the BBC. Labour seem to be refusing to put her anywhere near a telly. You can nitpick and there are always things to criticise. But on the grand scheme of things of things today's episode doesn't have many complaints from me. But I'm not super observant either. hehe
 
 
# oldnat 2012-03-15 23:35
I wouldn't read too much into Lamont's absence.

QT is a GB programme, and Frank Field has a legitimate point to make about how England needs constitutional change as well.
 
 
# Early Ball 2012-03-15 23:59
Quoting oldnat:
I wouldn't read too much into Lamont's absence.

QT is a GB programme, and Frank Field has a legitimate point to make about how England needs constitutional change as well.

Fair point but you must admit Lamont must have been gutted that Charlie missed the plane and Rennie appeared.
 
 
# Angry_Weegie 2012-03-15 23:43
Can you blame them?
 
 
# D_A_N 2012-03-15 23:37
Humza Yousaf really kicked arse tonight.. Was quite funny at the end about the lightbulbs etc.. Well done mate!
 
 
# xyz 2012-03-16 00:47
As the only pro independence panellist he spent too long making well worn out jokes and as a result lost precious seconds which should have been spent slamming home the positive case for independence.
 
 
# jafurn 2012-03-15 23:41
Humza Yousaf I am so proud that you are an SNP member of the Scottish Parliament .
You did yourself and ,ok my opinion,your country proud tonight .
I applaud you sir.
 
 
# Brechin 2012-03-15 23:46
I was just thinking how sensible and reasonable everyone was being on QT, then I realised that it was because there was no Scottish Labour representative. Can you actually think of any of them who could actually have made a decent fist of it? If only Lamont or Baillie or God forbid the Baker boy had been on..........

Thinking on it, this is actually further evidence of BBC bias. Forget about the ratio of unionists to nationalists, this issue pales into insignificance when you compare it with the damage that a single Scot Lab representative could have done to their own cause. The BBC is complicit in concealing the imbecility of Scottish Labour. Next time we want to see Richard Baker and Johann Lamont and just for the hell of it Iain Gray as well. Representing the independence point of view would be Alex Salmond's cat. Slam dunk!
 
 
# J Wil 2012-03-15 23:50
Frank Field's reponse to Yousaf about the parties coming together was a bit misplaced considering it is exactly what Labour have failed to do for years.

Field taking the standardized Labour Party view about independence because it is not in the interests of their survival.
 
 
# govanite 2012-03-16 00:03
Quoting J Wil:
Frank Field's reponse to Yousaf about the parties coming together was a bit misplaced conidering it is exactly what Labour have failed to do for years.

Field taking the standardized Labour Party view about independence because it is not in the interests of their survival.


Aye, but it was priceless when he realised he'd blundered. Probably didn't realise slab were so foolish.
 
 
# dogcollar 2012-03-16 00:10
Aye but Dimbleby is a complete tube trying to either embarrass, interupt, or confuse the issue when Humza was talking. Humza though did well considering the obvious Labour lackies in the audience
 
 
# AshleyJHP 2012-03-16 00:31
Brilliant article. This needs to be brought to the attention of every single person living in Britain, and especially those in Scotland, who must make an informed decision on the independence referendum, which, when one is aware of the facts (which the BBC don't want you to know) is in every aspect, and beyond doubt, AYE TO INDEPENDENCE. And just like Cameron's misguided blunders, and the myriad of unionist myths which have already been exposed, when people start to see the system of state controlled media that the BBC has become, threatening democracy in this country and corrupting a legitimate, peaceful, and democratic campaign for independence, then it will push them towards independence, not away from it. I had an article published recently on the BBC, expressing the same concerns. People need to be aware of this!!! theregulus.co.uk/.../...
 
 
# oldnat 2012-03-16 00:36
Welcome Ashley. I've seen some of your stuff on regulus. Keep up the good work.
 
 
# Roll_On_2011 2012-03-16 00:51
Hi Ashley

Can I second oldnat's sentiments.

Welcome aboard
 
 
# Barontorc 2012-03-16 01:06
Good article, Ashley - I wanted to comment at the time but better late than never,eh!
 
 
# Caadfael 2012-03-16 10:10
Thirded! Good also to hear views from the Ancient City, a notorious tory hot spot .. nice to think that blinkered mentality is changing!
 
 
# Etrigan 2012-03-16 00:34
Was it just me or did anyone else feel a strange uneasiness in the audience on Question Time tonight? The first 20 mins of the program felt a bit weird. Jannet Street Porter and Frank Field both looked like they were in a forein country and looked a bit lost.
Also, how Yousaf managed not to stand up and shout "YOU HYPOCRITICAL CHANCERS" when they all spouted on about the benefit of minimum pricing on alcohol, well words fail me...
 
 
# oldnat 2012-03-16 00:40
It was also interesting that neither Field or Street-Porter actually understood how the constitutional debate in Scotland is being conducted. I think that was why they were so mesmerized.
 
 
# Etrigan 2012-03-16 00:46
Agreed, but the audience looked just as mesmerized by the answers Field and Street-Porter gave. Very strange show.
 
 
# D_A_N 2012-03-16 02:28
also noticed this.. They clearly were quite ignorant to the whole thing.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-03-16 03:38
Porter didn't want the wind turbines, but had nothing else to offer in their place. She had a vacancy, but she gets away with it.

QT tends more towards a Punch and Judy show than serious debate. Going by the applause they wasn't a surfeit of Nats in the audience.
 
 
# Barontorc 2012-03-16 01:23
Dimbleby still managed to interject into Yousaf's comment time on every occasion and even put his own interpretation on questions as supplementaries . The guy's no friend of Scotland.As for JSPorter, she preferred the opinion of Lucy Adams to the GERS statistics! Then Frank Field was appalled with the level of discourse - the items referred to being sensationalist claptrap. What a shocking performance.

Scottish Labour missing as usual - what a condemnation. They're gone!
 
 
# D_A_N 2012-03-16 02:30
He did a bit but he interrupted and made jokes at the expense of others also.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-03-16 14:42
I think Field's remarks were another typical put down for Scots. Saying basically that the Scots represent the lowest common denominator.

If the bare money question is put to Scots, (or anyone for that matter), of course they will be keen. This is what political parties are elected on, including Frank Field's. It should be remembered it was a trap set by the media.

It's little wonder that, for many of us, independence cannot come soon enough.
 
 
# gus1940 2012-03-16 08:08
Re last night's QT isn't it funny (well not really funny - more unsurprising) that when attacks on Renewable Energy are made by the usual suspects they always zero in on Wind Turbines and ignore Hydro,Wave,Tida l and the others which are the really good ones for the future.
 
 
# lochside 2012-03-16 15:14
QT: patronise the jocks! bring up angry old woman jolly mockney Janet Street-Porter and old fossil Frank Fields; toss in the bewildered Davidson and roll in a floundering Rennie, all anti-Scottish sef-determination against a game SNP up and comer. Oh, and have the 'debate' in 'little England' i.e. St. Andrews. Allow Frank Field to insult the audience with Dimblebore's ammunition about the £500 bribe with the lowest jibe (about scrabbling about the floor' meaning grasping scotch spongers)...Wonder why Dimbers didn't mention Megrahi and prostate drugs and there you have it..a complete charade, the BBC in action, trivialising and stifling true debate. No much wonder the audience looked hypnotised bemused!
 
 
# cokynutjoe 2012-03-19 22:46
If Frank Field's constituents were offered £500 each to vote Tory at the next general election, there would be such a stampede that we would hear no more of Mr Field and his snidey remarks.
 
 
# grumblingtummy 2012-03-18 17:20
Here's the complaint response from the BBC:

Quote:
Thank you for your email regarding the Online report on Nicola Sturgeon's webcast interview with Brian Taylor.

We agree that the original headline was not an accurate reflection of what the Deputy First Minister said in the interview.

The headline and relevant text of the story have been rewritten to take out references to "relied on" and replaced with "worked with" which is what Ms Sturgeon said in her interview.

Regards
BBC News Website

www.bbc.co.uk/.../handle.shtml


There you have it! An admission of misreporting from the BBC. An apology would also have been nice but I'll settle for an important piece of evidence that things are very wrong at Pacific Quay!
 
 
# Hirta 2012-03-31 22:16
Thank you for your email of 15 March to Lord Patten, Chairman of the BBC
Trust. I am responding on his behalf as a member of the Trust Unit
which advises and supports the Chairman and Trustees.

I note your concerns about BBC coverage of an interview with Nicola
Sturgeon.

I can assure you that ensuring the impartiality of the BBC is a key
priority for the Trust; it is essential to its independence that the BBC
retains the public's trust as an impartial purveyor of news and
programming. The BBC is required to deliver duly impartial news by the
Royal Charter and Agreement and to treat controversial subjects with due
impartiality. The Trust is committed to making sure that the BBC fulfils
this obligation, which will of course be very important in the run up to
the Referendum on Scottish Independence.

However, while the Trust's role is to set the overall framework, the
BBC's Editorial Guidelines, which set out the values and standards that
all BBC output should meet, responsibility for the BBC's operational
and editorial content within these Editorial Guidelines rests ultimately
with the Director-General, as Editor-in-Chief.

There is a BBC complaints process in place to deal with instances where
audiences feel that the BBC has not met expected standards of
impartiality. This requires that the BBC's management have the
opportunity to provide a two stage response to complaints. The Trust's
role in the process is to hear complaints on appeal, should complainants
be unhappy with the responses they have received from the BBC's
management.

You can access details of the complaints process on the BBC website
here:

www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/

In the meantime, I have passed your comments onto Audience Services so
that they can respond to your concerns on behalf of the BBC's
management.

I hope this will be helpful, and thank you again for bringing your views
to our attention.

Yours sincerely

Elizabeth Grogan
BBC Trust Unit
 

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