By a Newsnet reporter
The SNP Administration on Stirling Council has today proposed a fresh budget in an attempt at ending the gridlock caused after Labour and Conservative councillors joined together to block the original motion last week.
The fresh budget motion contains elements from the SNP, Labour and Liberal Democrat proposals.

The original budget failed to get enough support after Labour councillors at the local authority decided to join forces with the Tory group in order to vote down budget amendments that they themselves had proposed.

The vote left the local authority with no legal budget and workers facing the prospect of a loss of wages if one could not be agreed.

Commenting on today’s fresh moves, SNP Finance spokesman Councillor Scott Farmer said:

“It is essential that Stirling Council moves quickly to set a legal budget in order that Council services can continue.  Following an urgent Administration meeting on Monday morning, the SNP has requisitioned a meeting for 9am on Friday 24 February, which is the earliest opportunity under standing orders for us to do so.

“The people of the Stirling area will be appalled at the gridlocked position we now find ourselves in, and will rightly demand urgent action to remedy this.”

The SNP have tabled a new motion that incorporates the priorities set out by the SNP, Labour and the Liberal Democrats last week.  Mr Farmer said the SNP would seek consensus with the new budget reflecting the “common ground” between the parties, and added:

“To that end, we will seek to have discussions with all parties in advance of the meeting, and will look seriously at any constructive amendment that builds consensus.  This is not a time to be playing silly games with Council services and people’s livelihoods, and I hope that progress can be made in a mature way and that the current impasse can be overcome.”

If a council does not set its budget then it cannot pay its workers after the end of the old budget period.

The situation also has an adverse effect on repairs and prevents the purchasing of services and materials, which has a knock on effect on third party businesses.

The council has until March 11th to set a new budget.


# cjmjr 2012-02-20 18:58
The Labour party need to get there act together with the council elections in May how can they expect people to vote for a party playing with there lives and livelihoods.How can a party be so stupid as to vote against there own amendment and they have done so on a number of occasions.
# Hing em high 2012-02-20 19:13
Labour is playing a stormer at all levels from Westmidden to Holyrood to the local councils, lets not stop them when they are in this form! It is like a plague has hit them from Glasgow to South Lanark and so on - I can think of a few other places where I would like it to spread to!
# hiorta 2012-02-20 18:58
I can only hope that the electors of Stirling are told of this situation and take the action they see fit at the
Municipal Elections in May.
# oldnat 2012-02-20 18:58
Sensible governance from a sensible party.
# cjmjr 2012-02-20 19:24
Opposition for the sake of opposition. not a good place to be. It is not a position that is sustainable for any lenth of time. It's good for the Snp. but not for Scotland in the long term. We need constructive opposition if you see a fault you can ammend to correct the fault, if you disagree you vote against. Saying no to everything is just Silly.
# Jiggsbro 2012-02-20 19:31
Opposition to yourself for the sake of opposition is an insane place to be.
# Hing em high 2012-02-20 19:54
Labour will vote against anything that is proposed by the SNP even when Labour might actually agree with it. I wonder what Charles Darwin would make of such irrational behaviour?
# rhymer 2012-02-20 22:23
Quoting Hing em high:
Labour will vote against anything that is proposed by the SNP even when Labour might actually agree with it. I wonder what Charles Darwin would make of such irrational behaviour?

Labour will soon join the Libdems and the Tories on the endangered species list.
# oldnat 2012-02-20 22:27
Fortunately, in an independent Scotland, proper Scottish parties will develop to represent different political views.
# Arbroath1320 2012-02-20 23:08
Does that mean they an entry all to themselves in the W.W.F.'s "Red Book" of endangered species? :D
# Fungus 2012-02-20 19:47
Sad thing is that Labour will spin this as some sort of victory. 'SNP forced to change budget' will be the lead on Reporting Jockland.
# Arbroath1320 2012-02-20 20:20
I think I've spotted a wee flaw in the revised budget.

The fresh budget motion contains elements from the SNP, Labour and Liberal Democrat proposals.
(My bolding)

Now that Labour know there are elements of their proposal in the revised budget I think I can sense another Labour vote against the budget coming up on Friday!
# weelynne 2012-02-20 20:22
hi everyone. I am sort of a new poster I am from Stirling we don't get our local paper till Weds so we wont know if the word has got out till then. Though I can assure you I am telling everyone I speak to and I know a few other people doing the same. Please excuse my punctuation and also a big thank you for the great comments that keep me informed and able to argue the case for independence. I have officially turned a tory supporter after 8 months and its thanks to this site and the people who comment.
# oldnat 2012-02-20 20:24
# mato21 2012-02-20 20:26

Welcome to the site and please keep us informed as to what goes on

Well done with the missionary work we're all at it A tory is a good scalp to get
# Jiggsbro 2012-02-20 20:27
Quoting weelynne:
I have officially turned a tory supporter after 8 months and its thanks to this site and the people who comment.

It's thanks to you for taking the time and trouble. Every vote counts.
# Arbroath1320 2012-02-20 20:36
welcome weelynne and congratulations on the "Big Turn". 8 months seems like a long time but rest assured that it will certainly be well worth the effort in the long run.

Keep smiling and we will all be celebrating come 2014!

At the end of the day BELIEF and POSITIVITY is what it is all about.

Our cause is TRUE.

We have the BELIEF.

Now we wait for OUR result in 2014!
# Keef 2012-02-20 21:37
Weelyne welcome.

Just to clear something up for myself.

Did it take you 8 months to find a Tory supporter in Scotland?
This is quite understandable and you should be congratulated.
# ianbeag 2012-02-20 21:54
A very big welcome - I'm also in Stirling constituency and just back from an SNP meeting. Lots of activities planned in the coming ten weeks to elect several more councillors on 3rd May for reasons which are clear to everyone who followed the events of the past few days in Stirling. You will be made very welcome, especially if you can help - just call Alycia at 07974 250588
# scottish_skier 2012-02-20 20:35
If the SNP started campaigning for Scotland to stay in the Union, Labour would start supporting independence.
# mato21 2012-02-20 20:38
Now there's an idea
# clootie 2012-02-20 20:58
noo ma heids hurtin'
# Arbroath1320 2012-02-20 21:17
Don't worry clootie, there's still plenty space in "The Darkened Room!"
# alexb 2012-02-20 21:12
If I remember correctly it was Labour who wanted their amendments contained in the budget proposals, the S.N.P agreed to that. then Labour tried to get their amendments withdrawn and when told they were too late, they voted against their own proposals. How can you ever trust people who behave in such a manner. I only hope that the electorate remember behaviour such as this come the May council elections.
# Saporian 2012-02-20 21:24
O/T Could this be the start of something really big. ? The Sun supporting Scottish independence! What a boost that would be.
# The_Duke 2012-02-20 21:32
I agree, it would be a boost (not because it is a bastion of journalism) but just having a major daily not promoting the Westminster cause.

Is this his way at getting his own back after being punted in front of the media ethics committees?
# Keef 2012-02-20 21:34
It seems the "Aussie digger" knows which side of the bread his butter is on.
He knows that Independence is inevitable and is thinking of how sales would collapse post independence.
Getting a fly one on call me dave with his "back of the hand" comment would have felt good for him. It won't be the last time Cameron hears that little quip too.
# Tom66 2012-02-20 21:36
I agree, I don't like the man much but It would be great to have Scotland's biggest selling newspaper behind the independence campaign.
# Stevie Cosmic 2012-02-20 21:51
Well....I don't agree.

Murdoch is as toxic as the tories, and at a time when he needs friends in westminster, I wouldn't trust the rat as far as I could spit.

This news is to be greeted with suspicion.

The Scots don't need The Sun. With a concerted effort, independence can be achieved by the means we are all currently engaged in. The printed press are yesterday.
# Tom66 2012-02-20 22:36
No doubt Murdoch has ulterior motives for the comment.
# millie 2012-02-20 23:06
Stevie Cosmic.

Agree wholeheartedly, I am very suspicious of this development- and the fact that it is being ‘widely’ reported on BBC Scotland- wall to wall on Newsnight- makes me even more suspicious.

Not to be trusted at all.- Don’t be sucked in by this Mr Salmond.
# Stevie Cosmic 2012-02-20 23:22
The Sun are known turncoats when it comes to the crunch. This development is no different.

If they devote full page coverage to nationalist politics everyday for the next two years....then fair enough, but I, personally, will believe it when I see it.
# Jenny2603 2012-02-20 21:45
Oh dear I'm confused. I thought business was freaking out about the uncertainty created by those nasty separatists.
# Islegard 2012-02-20 23:26
I have to say out of all the media. My wife gets the Sun and they have been very balanced. They are fickle and I would be wary of them. I'm not sure where they are coming from. Tony Blair is Rupert Murdoch's daughter's godfather and he is supposed to be great friends with Blair. He is also hacked of with how the British government has been treating his business. I'm not sure if the balance in the Sun is a warning to the british to head his concerns or a punishment. Either way don't everyone get on their high horse and underestimate how useful this is. As long as the SNP don't get too close.

The last few days I've seen comments attacking a pro-independence group and now whining about Sun support. Get a grip.
# dillond666 2012-02-21 07:49
Quoting Islegard:
The last few days I've seen comments attacking a pro-independence group and now whining about Sun support. Get a grip.

Hear Hear, we need to work towards the common goal just now.
We can then vote for the kind of government we want to see after independence has been acheived. SNP should be extra careful with Murdoch though.
# Jim Johnston 2012-02-20 21:28
I've said it before and I'll keep on saying it, if this fight between Independence and the Union were a boxing match, the ref would step in and stop it to save the Union from further punishment.

It's turning into a complete mismatch at every level.
# Hirta 2012-02-20 21:42

Probably been posted already ^
# Jester 2012-02-20 21:46
It's Scotlands Water!
# D_A_N 2012-02-20 21:49
o/t anyone good at editing wikipedia articles?

The article on Scottish independence doesn't have enough positive info about the advantages, especially economically of independence. Also at the end it still has outdated surveys and should include the most recent 50/50 polls.
# Islegard 2012-02-21 00:00
I'm banned! It's not as open and fair as you wouls imagine.
# jafurn 2012-02-20 23:13
What is going on with newsnight scotland???
# J Wil 2012-02-21 00:05
"SNP seeks consensus in bid to end Stirling Council impasse"

God help them.

How can they work with people who are so illogical?

If Labour lets the budget fall again the howlng mob will be let loose on them.
# the wallace 2012-02-21 09:58
As for the sun coming out in support of independence,i will believe it when i see it.If true its propbably his way of getting back at the british establishment for the roasting he,s been getting from them over the last few months,but hey my enemys enemy and all that,my advice would be use a lang spoon when ye sup wi the devil.
# rgi50 2012-02-21 13:52
Stirling was where i was born 50 years ago so i hope SNP gets total control of Stirling in April.
# Tocasaid 2012-02-21 22:14
Aye, Labour are shameless as usual. However, from what I know of Stirling, the coonsull there is a mess. The 'SNP' council seems to be running down Gaelic education in the city. I would've thought that an SNP council would've wanted to protect and develop Scotland's mother tongue in an area rich in Gaelic heritage.
# Arbroath1320 2012-02-24 11:55
Well they've done it!

It took two attempts but Stirling council have passed their budget for the next financial year.

I don't think we will ever hear of the SNP being in bed with the Tories after this though. The budget was voted through with the Tories backing the Labour, yes folks that's right, the Tories and Labour voted through this budget which included a 1% council tax cut!

I don't think we can expect to ever hear COSLA ever complaining about council tax freezes from the Scottish government again either!

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