By Martin Kelly
SNP leader Alex Salmond has hailed the success of the party's local government election campaign, following figures which show the party outperformed their electoral rivals in three key areas of vote share, gains and overall councillors.
After Friday’s count, official returns show that the SNP have more councillors and have won more councils, more gains and the biggest share of the vote than any other party.

At 424 councillors, the SNP have gained 61 councillors since 2007, doubling its lead in terms of council seats over Labour from 15 to 30.

In addition, the SNP is now the largest Party on 11 local authorities - with Dundee and Angus giving the SNP its historic first overall majorities under PR.

The SNP have also made gains in Labour strongholds across Scotland - including Glasgow and Lanarkshire, and have now pulled level in Clackmannanshire and Midlothian.  In Midlothian, reports suggest that the SNP are close to securing a coalition that would see Labour lose power for the first time ever.

Despite what many feel was a disappointing result in Glasgow, the party have witnessed their council representation increase from only 4 councillors in 2003 to 27 in 2012.

On the basis of analysis of first preference voting figures from 305 out of 353 wards, the SNP is projecting to have won 32.7% of the vote, ahead of Labour on 31.5%, meaning that the SNP is set to emerge with the largest share of the vote for the first time in its history.

Congratulating the new Councillors from Angus and Dundee today, Mr Salmond said:

"On every indicator, the SNP has had its best ever council result.  We have more councillors and more gains than any other party - doubling our seats advantage over Labour.

"We have become the largest Party in more councils across Scotland - including our first ever overall majorities.

"And we also look set to have won the overall share of the vote in a local government election for the first time in our history.

"This has all come about as a result of the positive message that SNP Councillors gave voters on the doorsteps - councils working for jobs, for families and for fairness.

"While the Westminster coalition parties were given a mauling north and south of the Border, the SNP as the incumbent party of government in Scotland since 2007 have just won another election - an extraordinary achievement.

"Any way you look at our result, it is a landmark achievement for the SNP, who are the only Party who can claim to be the party of all of Scotland - north and south, east and west, rural and urban."

The party’s Deputy Leader Nicola Sturgeon echoed Mr Salmond’s praise as she announced plans to visit council groups across Central Scotland to congratulate them on their successes.

Ms Sturgeon will meet SNP Groups in Stirling, East Ayrshire and North Ayrshire, who all gained seats from the opposition and emerged as the largest party.

In Stirling, where the SNP have run the council as a minority since 2008, the SNP took seats from Labour to emerge with 9 seats compared to their 8. In East Ayrshire, the SNP’s competence as a minority administration was also rewarded by voters, and saw the party overtake Labour as the largest party.

The SNP Group in North Ayrshire took 4 additional seats from Labour, Lib Dem and Tories and are now the largest party.

Commenting Ms Sturgeon said:

“The momentum and progress the SNP has achieved all over Scotland is very evident in the council groups I am speaking to today.

“In East Ayrshire and in Stirling, the increased number of seats is a clear vote of confidence on our record in administration over the last few years.

“Our key messages of working for jobs, families and for fairness have pushed us into poll position in many areas, and there is a real buzz among our councillors who are looking forward to the challenges ahead.”

Vote share - Based on analysis of actual share of first preferences in 305 out of 353, the results are projected as follows:

  • SNP - 32.7%
  • Lab - 31.5%
  • Con - 13.3%
  • Lib Dem - 6.4%
  • Green - 2.4%
  • Ind - 11.8%
  • Oth - 1.9%

[Newsnet Scotland is aware of what appears to be misreporting of figures by BBC Scotland resulting in an inflation of Labour party gains.  We are currently looking into this and are preparing an article for tomorrow’s edition.]


# patrickotic 2012-05-05 12:22
Eh !!! Is NNS seriously suggesting that the BBC hasn't got it's facts right....again !

You couldn't make this up :-(
# Bobelix 2012-05-05 19:09
Complain to the BBC!
I have submitted the following complaint:

"The impression given by your reportage was that Labour had definitely triumphed over the SNP and this was "backed-up" by the following figures (which are still on your website)

SNP 424 councillors +57,
Lab 394 councillors +58

This seems to show that Labour "beat" the SNP by one seat. However, the only explanation I can think of for these figures is that they include the deselected Labour "defectors" as non-Labour seats.

This is, at best, disingenuous as the "defectors" (Glasgow First etc) were all elected as Labour councillors and had not re-submitted themselves for election till now. You have therefore, intentionally or otherwise, given a false impression to the public. I note that your competitor, STV, had more concern for relevancy and accuracy.

If you honestly do not wish to give an impression of Labour bias, you'll have to do better than this! In the interests of honesty and public awareness, it is surely, under the terms of your charter and in accord with basic morality, incumbent upon you to publish a public retraction and apology that is just as visible as the original error. The true figures are as follows:

SNP 424 councillors +61 (363 in 2007)
Lab 394 councillors +46 (348 in 2007)"

Hazel Lewry also suggested adding: "Your bias is becoming so obvious that other international online news outlets are commenting. You really do have to live up to your charter when people consider Al Jezeera a more reliable news source than BBC."
# Bobelix 2012-05-05 19:23
Also channel your complaints through this site which is hoping to accumulate sufficient to justify a complaint to Ofcom:
# balgayboy 2012-05-05 12:23
I believe in Alex and the SNP.
# Astonished 2012-05-05 12:27
Pity no one trusts the BBC Trust.

I think everyone recognizes the problem - glencampblly reporting.
# Bonx 2012-05-05 12:32
Keep up the excellent work NNS!

Thank you. We'd be grateful if everyone who is on Twitter could hit the retweet button at the bottom of the article - NNS Mod Team
# Dundonian West 2012-05-05 16:32
To Tweeters.Please do as the Mods request.
I'm setting up a Twitter tonight.Wish me luck!
# Jim1320 2012-05-05 12:46
I believe the Beeb chose to use the 2nd of May as their "before" figure which obviously had the recent Labour expulsions and SNP gains since 2007. I do not think, correct me if I am wrong, that this baseline was used in any of the other UK comparisons. If it is the case that the Beeb in Scotland chose to depart from the standard baseline purely to big up Labour gains then somebody should explain why. Having changed the baseline they can't revert back just as they like either. The Beeb needs to understand that other people can count even if they can't.
# gbarnes 2012-05-05 12:56
If they used May 2nd as it seems they did - then they should at least state that. It is very poor of any body to quote figures without the basic requirement of stating the baseline/comparison.

Seriously given up on BBC - I now show/demo their bias to others (and not just with reference to Scotland/SNP/IndyRef).
# Peter A Bell 2012-05-05 13:10
Questions are now being asked about who at the BBC made this decision and to what extent Labour were involved.
# Jim Johnston 2012-05-05 14:52
Questions that in all likelyhood will never be answered Peter. Pathetic sad people really.

Thankfully RT and the internet will have a field day with the BBC's shenanigans....again !!
# Legerwood 2012-05-05 16:00
The figures produced by the BBC have been widely used by print journalists who clearly cannot be bothered to engagew their brain and search out the results ofr themselves.

However, many of these same newspapers have on-line editions and the reports containing these figures often allow comments. Where this is the case then I strongly suggest as many as possible leave - polite factual - comments giving the straightforward comparison between 2012 vs 2007. Like this site many people read the on-line editions of newspapers AND the comments attached to articles.

So if you want to counteract, in what may seem a small but not insignificant way, the bias of the reports then gert commenting. I have done so already on various newspaper sites.
# Thee Forsaken One 2012-05-05 16:15
Those of us who watched the coverage of the last European elections might remember that it was portrayed as a failure by the SNP as they did not get more MEPs than Labour, despite Alex Salmond pointing out that they gained the greatest share of the vote and increased their share since the last election which bucked the trend that sitting governments almost always lose their share of the popular vote.

I sometimes wonder if this rivalry between Labour and the SNP is perpetuated by the media coverage. In any election it seems unless the SNP destroy Labour then it's regarded as a failure. While I admit it would be nice, that's not really the priority. The priority is doing the best for the people of Scotland whether that be in the Independence vote or at local government level.
# birnie 2012-05-05 16:03
At 16.45 I lodged a complaint by telephone about the false figures still being reported on BBC website. I got through straight away and spoke to a very pleasant lady with an Irish accent. I also pointed out that the inaccuracy/bias had been an item of considerable comment on on-line media, that BBC staff would have been well aware of this but had not chosen to make a correction. I would encourage others to repeat this complaint by telephone (24-hour service) since there is a quick reply.

Standard response, of course - complaint will be logged and passed to relevant staff. May not be much use, but surely in time constant complaint may curb their worst excesses?

On-line "Scottish Times" initially repeated the same erroneous figures, but responded to my comment by correcting the article promptly.
# snowthistle 2012-05-05 16:56
It's also good to ask for a written reply
# Clydebuilt 2012-05-05 21:00

It's a waste of energy complaining to the BBC . It's like telling someone that is hitting you that they are hitting you.
The BBC know's what they are doing and will not stop.

In Scotland they see complaints as feedback.

The way to tackle the BBC is to spread the word on BBC lies, far and wide.
# mesmiths 2012-05-05 12:47
Not too bad for a party in it's second term of government, and in a recession (though not of it's cause obviously). Well done SNP and it's onwards and upwards too.

Just staggered by the BBC, again, though. It's almost funny to see them embarrassing themselves so badly. Do they not know how bad their 'coverage' comes across these days? Or do they not care?
# Jim1320 2012-05-05 12:56
I'm glad to see that the SNP were the biggest party in terms of share of 1st preference vote too. It was suggested in the Beeb coverage initially that Labour would keep that honour. However because in reality the SNP doubled their lead in terms of seats over 2007 this wasn't all that likely. Fortunately there is no way to massage that figure.
# Dundonian West 2012-05-05 13:00
"I'm glad to see that the SNP were the biggest party in terms of share of 1st preference vote too"..
jim1320.That's something to be PROUD of,'mid-term',so to speak.
Rare,very rare.
# Juteman 2012-05-05 13:06
Excellent results, and the independence movement has had a taste of the tactics the unionist/media cabal will use in the referendum.
Hopefully the strategos of the SNP will plan accordingly.
# Peter A Bell 2012-05-05 13:21
I would like to put it on record that, almost alone among mainstream journalists, David Torrance has challenged the manner in which the election is being portrayed as a Labour victory. As some of you may know, I have been rather critical of Mr Torrance on occasion. But we must all applaud his willingness to put his head above the parapet on this issue.

EDIT - I've just been reminded that David's reward for his courage is that he gets to append his CV with the phrase I used in a tweet to describe him - "The lamb of truth bleating in a desert of lies."

That's gold, that is! ;¬)
# Aplinal 2012-05-05 14:39
where is that article Peter?
# border reiver 2012-05-05 13:25
Proof that the Lid Dems were not interested in any sort of local debates and that there positive message was to target Alex and the SNP. Tavish Scott openly adimts in this article that Clegg should have attacked the Tories over Murdoch. No wonder they face wipeout.
# Roll_On_2011 2012-05-05 15:46
border reiver

Thanks for the link. I especially liked this wee bit tucked away in the foot of the article:

“ Voters in one capital ward gave more support to a man dressed as a penguin than a Lib Dem candidate. “

It just demonstrates how relevant the FibDems are in Scotland!
# Robabody 2012-05-05 18:29
And voters in my ward had the highest turnout for the capital at 51% (according to info from my branch) and got rid of a labour councillor in the process. Now after living here for 37 years I've got an SNP MSP and an SNP councillor and you've no idea how great I feel about it. Mind you, I have had to put up with an "absolute shower"* for most of that period - Rifkind, Darling, Gray (yes, the one of Subway fame) plus sundry others. So I feel entitled to a little smile or as Kryten from Red Dwarf put it - "engage smug mode; smug mode engaged" . Well only for the week-end then back to BAU and 2014.

* To (slightly) quote the late, great, Terry Thomas.
# eibbar snrub 2012-05-05 13:28
Bearing in mind that incumbent Governments usually get badly mauled in mid term elections the results of Thursday are actually not just good but excellent for the SNP. However it did over hype its hopes in Glasgow which is a Labour stronghold and it will atill be that even in 2014. Also, the SNP are beginning to make little faux pas in Governance and presentation none of which in themselves mean much but all of which give ammunition for its opponents to attack it. And as time passes in Government these mistakes will happen more often; it is the way of the world. And that was my one misgiving about deferring the referendum to a point very late in the SNP's term. So the SNP needs to keep its eye very closely on the ball from now on. No petty cover ups about ANYTHING, because they will be found out.
And it's no good complaining about BBC and Scottish media bias. Much of what people on this site claim as bias is just normal journalistic practice. After all journalists' stock in trade is bad news about anything, and particularly about the Government of the day since the latter of all shades try to keep bad news hidden.
# Legerwood 2012-05-05 16:05
eibbar snrub

So the SNP needs to keep its eye very closely on the ball from now on.

Could not agree more. Since the turn of the year they seem to have been slow of the mark to close down stories e.g accepting the Scotland Bill, ananymous post of referendum poll, NATO and now Murdoch. This has resulted in some of these stories gaining a prominence and longevity they do not warrant. The Murdoch story is a case in point.

They really need to be on top of things and anticipate flashpoints. Playing catch-up is never a good position to be in.
# Marga B 2012-05-05 13:33
Faced with the temptation to send Cameron a message in the only way that affects his UK tenure - a boost to Labour - Scots have remained remarkably loyal to the SNP.

Unionists should beware of hyping basically a protest vote as support.
# Barontorc 2012-05-05 17:59
Marga B - I noticed in another NNS article you seem to be under the impression that the Tory/Lib-Dem coalition was the target of Scottish voters, hence, they got a kicking in the Scottish returns. A protest vote from Scots.

I don't believe that to be the case and what is really the nub of the matter is that thinking voters here believe Scotland's future is already cast and to an extent they are indifferent to the future of the coalition UK government, so no protest vote methinks.

Of course, matters are still dictated by Westminster - but, this is coming to an end as powers are being dragged away from there and that will change come 2014.

The 70% or so, who couldn't be bothered to vote last Thursday will be enticed, one way or the other, to vote in 2014 and as Scottish Skier keeping tabs reports, this looks very much like a Scottish ballot with the resultant YES very much in the making.
# Marga B 2012-05-05 18:35
Barontorc - thanks for the insight which I of course don't have from outside Scotland.

It's just that the election seemed to be presented as such a "national/UK" affair that I thought people would vote on a Westminster pattern.
# mordor 2012-05-05 13:39
From what I am hearing we suffered from the bawheid candidate in Lanarkshire referring to two Catholic midwives as "old Catholic witches" and from an incredibly dimwitted article by Joan McAlpine over the Titanic and Belfast which also upset people particularly in Govan and Clydebank (old shipbuilding solidarity thing). Note to selves- take care when selecting candidates and ask Joan McAlpine to be a tad more sensible when she is writing in West Central Scotland's biggest selling daily newspaper. Mistakes were also made in campaigning in that concentration was put upon four seat wards where it was always going to be two Lab two SNP and not enough concentration on 3 seat wards where there was a real fight over the third seat. Still a good night and a victory though. I did not expect to hammer Labour as they do have, like ourselves, some decent community representatives who command a personal rather than party vote.
# paulmahon 2012-05-05 14:27
The issue of candidate selection cannot be easily addressed. On one hand the SNP are accused of being authoritarian and centralist, on the other hand its implied that we should establish a secret police force to investigate our own members. The language of "old catholic witches" is totally unacceptable, particularly given the smear campaigns against the SNP in the media. On a (slightly) related note, how many people use this site and how can we increase its circulation? If the papers and the TV news are going to be nothing but lies between now and 2014, we need people to get their information from alternative sources. The importance of communication between the movement and the people is perhaps one lesson that can be taken from the last few weeks.

We'd be grateful if everyone on Tweeter could hit the retweet buttons at the bottom of all the articles - NNS Mod Team
# Legerwood 2012-05-05 16:15
If the papers and the TV news are going to be nothing but lies between now and 2014,we need people to get their information from alternative sources.

But people can also get the information from those newspapers many of which have on-line editions and allow comments on the articles. Comments on these articles that are Concise, factual and, just as importantly, polite will provide effective rebuttal of the stories partial nature and the sins of omission and commission displayed by many journalists in their reports.

More and more people read the on-line edition of newspapers and, importantly, the comments attached to articles. Therefore do not ignore this route as a means of communicating the facts.

Nor should the Letters Pages of newspapers be ignored either as a means of getting information accross or rebutting misinformation. They can be lively and it is surprising how supportive of various SNP positions the letters can be that are printed.

Too many people make a virtue of saying they never busy newspapers or wont read on-line editions of them but if the prize is independence then you have to know what is beiong said and get the information out there by whatever means possible.
# Early Ball 2012-05-05 13:46
The Rangers thing as well. Salmond did not say anything different from Curran but he got slaughtered for it. Keep well away from football.
# Angry_Weegie 2012-05-05 17:37
Quoting Early Ball:
The Rangers thing as well. Salmond did not say anything different from Curran but he got slaughtered for it. Keep well away from football.

Funny thing was that I got Celtic supporters telling me that they wouldn't vote SNP because Salmond supported Rangers and Rangers supporters telling me that they wouldn't vote SNP because he wanted to ditch the queen and make Scotland a republic. Cannae win.
# Teri 2012-05-05 19:19
I noticed a banner being carried at Rangers supporters protest parade to Hampden last week, which said
'To hell with the SFA, SNP and all'

I just thought this was because they were unionists, someof the orange variety!
# edinburghdave 2012-05-05 19:55
Quoting Teri:
I noticed a banner being carried at Rangers supporters protest parade to Hampden last week, which said
'To hell with the SFA, SNP and all'

I just thought this was because they were unionists, someof the orange variety!

Those morons have taken umbrage at the new anti sectarian laws. The fact that they cant sing about being up to thier knees in peoples blood really seems to put them out.
# border reiver 2012-05-05 13:47
The cats amongst the pigeons in the Tory party as it is possible for him to also be an MP. President was set when Ken Livingston was elected in 2000 he remained an MP till 2001. "CAMERON BEWARE"
# Legerwood 2012-05-05 16:16
Did Boris not say in the run-up to the mayoral elections that he had no ambitions to be an MP or PM?
# govanite 2012-05-05 16:58
don't need to be an MP to be PM - that's why the 2010 leaders' debates were so flawed in the hype
# bagonails 2012-05-05 13:52
A big thank you to all those activists who pounded the streets and made it all possible
# gopher3 2012-05-05 14:33
Or do they not care?

Your right, they don't care.
# Dundonian West 2012-05-05 14:38
80 years Labour! "In Midlothian, where both the SNP and Labour had eight councillors elected, the nationalists have said they are on course to form an "historic" coalition after talks with Indepenent councillor Peter De Vink.
Labour has been in power, in some shape or form, in Midlothain for more than 80 years."
BBC Scotland.Online.
80 years----WOW.
That was when Labour believed,allege dly in Home Rule.
# mordor 2012-05-05 14:47
Quoting Dundonian West:
That was when Labour believed,allege dly in Home Rule.

The Independent Labour Party supported Home Rule up to the second world war and many continued to do so (Reverend James Barr MP for Coatbridge being the most notable). The Scottish Unionist Party (old fashioned Liberal Owenite mob not to be confused with the present lot) supported Home Rule in the 50s but never managed to get it even though they effectively propped up the Governments of Churchill and MacMillan. Crown commissions-long grass.
# mato21 2012-05-05 14:53
Here is the chance to make mass complaints that may amount to something
# Welsh Sion 2012-05-05 15:16
Did anyone else pick up on this?

I'm sure some time during the results coming in, your old friend, Prof Curtice, said something like this on the BBC:

"Just because the SNP govern Scotland, north of the border..."

And they don't govern Scotland south of the border? *confused*

There are the usual negative pieces by Severin Caroll and the aforesaid Prof in today's Guardian (yet their leader seems to see SNP gains), if anyone is interested.

All this makes me more confused though...

Anyone got a line from how others see the Scottish situation - from an international perspective? I'll try and give you some Welsh feedback, when I have more time.
# Marga B 2012-05-05 18:47
Catalanist digital press (Nacional digital):

The SNP was unable to beat Glasgow
Unable to overcome them Labour, who also won in Edinburgh. Yes that became the first in the number of councilors across Scotland, but the euphoria cools by 2014
The Scottish Labour leader, Johann Lamont, described the results of "fantastic". Photo: Scottish Labour

Sweet and sour Scottish independence within the party, the SNP, the results of local elections on Thursday, called yesterday evening. While it added more votes than ever and has become the first in the number of councilors did not have enough strength to become the majority group in the City of Glasgow, the great goal it set itself the Scottish Premier Alex Salmond, with a view to the independence referendum of 2014.

Labour won in Glasgow, the most populous city in the country by an absolute majority, a victory that, in addition to the Edinburgh and Aberdeen, the capital-rich-in-oil by simple majority, has allowed the party to Ed Miliband to interpret the results as a victory, despite being the second largest number of councilors in Scotland (394 versus 424 for the SNP).

The Scottish Labour leader, Johann Lamont-teacher by profession and gaèlicoparlant-called last night results "fantastic", especially considering that the polls predicted a victory for the SNP in Glasgow. What did not suggest any survey was the collapse of the Liberal Democrats in Edinburgh, where they spent 18 to 3 councilors and causing the government coalition with the SNP is kept viable and therefore the council handed over to Labour.

Conversely, trying to convey an optimistic reading of the results, Salmond said that 2012 "The SNP has made the biggest step forward in its history", reaching the first absolute majority in both councils, Dundee and Angus-being and ten most votes, including Perth, Stirling and North Ayrshire. "We have won seats for Labour, the Liberal Democrats and the" Tories "in length and breadth of the country, both in urban as in rural Scotland," he said.

The Scottish Conservative leader, Ruth Davidson, despite having lost cows and cowbells, can only reach a majority preference for councils of Edinburgh and Stirling, showed himself satisfied with the outcome overall Scottish independence movement: "It was be a good day for the SNP and has put a brake on the monster of Alex Salmond."
# naemairleesplease 2012-05-05 20:54
Hi Marga

I hope that was translated by google and not yourself ;)

This piece is interesting
"The Scottish Labour leader, Johann Lamont-teacher by profession and gaèlicoparlant-called last night results "fantastic", especially considering that the polls predicted a victory for the SNP in Glasgow"

I don't remember any polls being made public here. I noticed people on this site and others saying the same. I think Scottish Skier did say he/she contributed to a poll but it was never made public.
Did you see any polls in the media where you are? Did anyone who lives abroad see any polls?

What does the bit about cows and cowbells mean?
# Marga B 2012-05-05 22:32
Google's best, naemairleesplea se! The cows and cowbells mean "lose everything not just the cow even the cowbell"
# Teri 2012-05-05 19:23
Curtice also mentioned a couple of times that it was the overall number of votes that were relevant, not the number of councillors. Also went on to remind viewers that the SNP didnt have the majority of voters when they swept the boards in the Holyrood election. Funny how the rules change to suit the unionists. Both Labour and Conservative have both been inppower in Westminster with only around a third of the vote.
# jim288 2012-05-05 15:27
I went on to the Home page on the site and the first line has "illiminate" instead of "eliminate". I stopped reading at that point.

If the site is to have any credibility it needs to eliminate such basic errors.
# Edna Caine 2012-05-05 16:53
I think it is a misprint of illuminate.
# Bobelix 2012-05-05 19:25
Exactly what I said, but the site's premise is still good, so I'd go with it anyway.
# scotswhahae 2012-05-05 16:49
Quoting mato21:
Here is the chance to make mass complaints that may amount to something

Thanks, just done this, everyone on here should also do this, Thanks mato21 for the chance to show ones disgust at the BBC
# taimoshan 2012-05-05 15:13
mato21 - done it. Hope every reader on here does as well. They must not get away with this propaganda stunt!
# millie 2012-05-05 15:47
Alex salmond interview on local elections.
# Jim1320 2012-05-05 16:55
Probably the silliest headline today was the Mail. "Salmond gets bloody nose". A 5% increase in vote, 16% increase in number of seats. I'm sure Eck would take these blows day after day. Why didn't the Mail lead on on the collapse of the Lib Dems, Prof Pingu and all that? Shielding the Coalition with complete lies? Not the Mail Shirley?

Don't know why the headline didn't just read "SNP fail to take every single seat - massive blow to Salmond"
# rgi50 2012-05-05 17:29
I don't know why people take the Daily Mail seriously . It is just a comic not any better than the beano.
# Welsh Sion 2012-05-05 17:51
Quoting rgi50:
I don't know why people take the Daily Mail seriously . It is just a comic not any better than the beano.

Hey, don't rubbish my favourite comic! The DM is in the Highland League and the Beano is SPL material - as eny fule kno.
# Diabloandco 2012-05-05 18:10
I had a flick through a dead tree copy the other day - it's like a print freak show.
# Jim1320 2012-05-05 19:22
I would add that I only saw it on a stand in Morrisons I don't get the thing.
# naemairleesplease 2012-05-05 21:02
My mother reads that s###e.
I've tried for years to get her to stop but she's too thrawn, anyone got any ideas cos I'd love her to stop reading it.

She believes in independence but can't stand Salmond.
I wonder why.
# Legerwood 2012-05-05 17:52
Iain McWhirter now has an article on the election in the on-line edition of the Herald.
# dawve30 2012-05-05 18:00
Are NNS opening a new twitter account?

Some of us on twitter have been trying to spread the articles as widely as possible, but in the last few week 2 NNS twitter accounts seem to have been closed.

We have had a few problems with our Twitter account which we are working hard to resolve - NNS Mod Team
# derek 2012-05-05 18:20
Is 32.7% a yes to Independence?
# Louperdowg 2012-05-05 18:33
No, as it wasn't the referendum.

Don't you know the difference?
# Jim1320 2012-05-05 18:45
There were 1200 seats up for grabs no party had more than 600 or so candidates. There were whole areas that vote independent and probably always will. In 2007 the SNP got less than 28% and got about 33% in the Holyrood election conducted on the same day.

A referendum is going to be a straight Yes No and the thinking behind and mood generated in the run up to that vote will be everything. It isn't tied solely to support of the SNP either. Greens will mostly vote Yes as will the Scottish Socialists. This a complex thing and the last thing the referendum needs is to be tied exclusively to SNP voting thus leaving other potential supporters out in the cold. It has to be a big church inclusive campaign that sets aside party politics.
# MAcandroid 2012-05-05 23:15
Support the Scottish Independence Convention.
# sneckedagain 2012-05-05 18:22
A little over reaction here which we should be vey careful of.
We got 12 of our candidates in out of 16. Five weeks ago we would have got all sixteen in as the four who lost out were all in fourth position by around little more than 20 votes. We have just struggled through quite the most vicious dishonest anti-SNP assault ever by all of the press and the BBC for about six weeks.
It probably cost us 100 councillors on Thursday.
But we still made progress.
So lets cut out all the silly talk about our leaders or organisers making mistakes. They did not.
We have to establish in the minds of the electors that the media tells them lies about the SNP and independence. When we do so what they write about us will have little effect.
# Jim1320 2012-05-05 18:58
As an aside I saw as part of the BBC running commentary that Foulkes almost constantly twitters absolute nonsense. It is borderline trolling (who am I kidding it is trolling). I don't do twitter, does he do this all the time?
# dawve30 2012-05-05 19:03
# alanski 2012-05-05 19:09
Jim 1320, agreed. People should stay calm - a council election is quite different from a referendum. We have two years to persuade the doubters and this can be done in a variety of ways. Despite the nasty propaganda from BBC etc the SNP still came out on top.
# Robert Louis 2012-05-05 19:21
I keep saying it, and I'll say it again, these are very good results for the SNP.

Imagine if you woke up to find they had actually lost seats??

Stop believing the unionist fluff.
# Jim1320 2012-05-05 19:28
Absolutely, imagine Milliband's face if Cameron had got 2% more of the vote than Labour and increased his lead in number of seats.

I think Milliband's coat would have been on a shoogly peg. Johann is pretty much the last throw of the dice for Labour in Scotland and consequently they have to big up everything. It is frankly insulting to the 85% of us who don't live in Glasgow that Glasgow was the only prize worth having. Especially as they couldn't even be bothered to go out and vote when other council areas had reasonably robust turnouts.
# Wee-Scamp 2012-05-05 19:21
Maybe we need to set up a Scottish Broadcasting Corporation website :-)
# Jim1320 2012-05-05 19:23
You know that domain name probably isn't taken.

# gfaetheblock 2012-05-05 19:30
Is this a mid term election, or an election held during the honeymoon of the SNP majority?

In my opinion it is a bit of both, but there is a definite slowing down of the momentum that the SNP had generated. If this is true, then autumn 2014 seems a very long way away.
# Jim1320 2012-05-05 19:50
There was a lot going on in these elections and the major stumble by the Coalition and their PR disaster of a Budget reanimated the Labour corpse. In the end the SNP held its own and increased its lead despite this gift by Osborne and the almost non-stop smear campaign by Lamont and her acolytes (or more accurately,beca use the big Unionist guns are behind the scenes, by Lamont the acolyte).

It is clear that Labour intend to play very dirty and I think the two years are essential to get the message across and take the sting from the media.

We can't do much about wider political events and changes but we can work to ensure that people hear both sides of the story and ensure every lie is challenged to the point that people come to look for both sides of the story before making up their mind.
# Soixante-neuf 2012-05-05 20:07
Who won the 2012 council election?
# HighlandBark 2012-05-05 20:23
The truth, in an easily digested form. Very useful for sending to those having difficulty understanding the results.
# Marian 2012-05-05 20:12
It would appear that the SNP and Labour benefited from the collapse in the LibDem vote and that the Tory vote has now bottomed out with their diehards being their only supporters left in Scotland. It is very hard to see how the LibDems and Tories can now improve on their support which leaves it essentially a two-horse race between the SNP and Labour in Scotland from now on, and the momentum for change is still with the SNP.

Whilst it would have been nice if the SNP had succeeded in winning Glasgow the fact is that it was a mountain to climb which is probably easier to do in stages as the SNP have done. The consolation is that the new enlarged SNP group in Glasgow will be a constant thorn in the side of the Labour controlled council for the next 5 years.

Although Labour just managed to get the most councillors in Edinburgh it is by no means certain that they can form a coalition with any other party other than the rump of LibDems in order to govern. Which means that they are not going to have an easy ride if they are successful in forming the new council.

All in all it was great vote of confidence in the SNP government in the face of relentless smearing by the unionists and their poodle MSM.

It may not be a bad thing that the SNP result was what it is for they are probably much better placed than Labour to use it as a springboard for the referendum campaign and vote, given that the same unionist leaders will now be in place with the same negative tactics which have gone down so badly with the voters.
# xyz 2012-05-05 21:09
Edinburgh voters punished Labour for the trams in 2007, now in 2012 they punish the Libdems also for the Trams .. but they vote Labour back in ???? .. Are they deficient in the memory department? What goes on?
# gfaetheblock 2012-05-05 22:19
Pretty much all parties have been damaged by the trams. Remember that the SNP, part of the ruling group, plunged the tram fiasco to it's deepest farce when they abstained from the crucial vote on it's future and we ended up with the ridiculous Haymarket option.

Leadership at it's very worst.
# doctor_zaius 2012-05-06 08:22
And who proposed the ridiculous motion (and was visibly shocked it got passed?)
# alexmc8275 2012-05-05 20:26
Do you know what, excuse me if I'm wrong I have had a couple of the lovely Knockindoe's, but I'm wondering if like the Pictish fellow wrote, time for a change of tactics regarding labour in Scotland. Basically let's offer them an olive branch for the good of Scotland. Let's really work together for our children, let's do it publicly and throw the ball firmly in their court, show them up for what they are. I am not nervous about the referendum, because reading every scrap of info I can find as a layman about politics on the Internet . I just know what I thinks right and wrong. The unionist case does not have a hope in hell, be brave fellow cybernats (lmfao) your arguments online will be too strong to ignore by 2014
# ramstam 2012-05-05 20:33
Early Ball - anent keeping away from fitba. Alex Salmond is a Jambo. Ye cannae get further away than that! GGTTH.
# exel 2012-05-05 21:08
Marian 2012-05-05 21:12

I think I prefer Ian MacWhirters analysis of where we now are. He wrote: So what was happening? Well, take Fife, where the SNP gained four seats, but Labour gained 11. The truth is both parties had a good night, as they feasted on the carcass of the Scottish LibDems. It's just Labour got a bit more of the pickings in a number of areas than the SNP."

In Fife the Lib Dems lost 11 councillors, SNP gained 3 and Labour gained 11. NO overall control.

The SNP may have gained councillors, but they fielded more candidates.

We must all accept now that the LIB DEMS are no longer a force in central or local government. The referendum debate is still to be won or lost.
# peter,aberdeenshire 2012-05-05 21:11
Just been on the Record website, I know but you have to keep an eye on the other side, Rosa Klebb claiming the tide is turning, who exactly got the most votes and councilors in the elections?
# balbeggie 2012-05-05 23:34
Depends on which election they choose. How about 2010? Labour down about 12% SNP up 13%. It is meaningless to compare Thursday's vote with 2011 as local election can mean just that - local. How about 1995 - Labour down 16%
# Soixante-neuf 2012-05-05 21:20
Quoting peter,aberdeens hire:
Just been on the Record website, I know but you have to keep an eye on the other side, Rosa Klebb claiming the tide is turning, who exactly got the most votes and councilors in the elections?

Good question.

Calling Labour holds gains if the sitting councillor resigned the Labour whip shortly before the election is ridiculous. Comparing council elections to a Holyrood election is also ridiculous, and not just because of the voting system. Local elections are indeed decided on local issues, to a large extent, and you're never going to get a bandwagon like 2011 going for a council election.

Thursday's results were fine. All they can do, short of pauchling the figures which of course they are doing, is say, but we predicted you'd get even more than that, so you lost!

And on the plus side, this means we get to keep Johann. Anybody who thinks she's an asset to Labour is delusional.
# Legerwood 2012-05-05 22:23
Be careful about saying that keeping Ms Lamont is a plus to take away from the election results.

The fact that labour were not annihalated is a plus for Ms Lamont and her leadership.

Unlike Wendy or Iain Gray, Mr Lamont now has an election 'vicory' under her belt. Do not underestimate what that will do to her standing within the party, or her confidence in leading it or how she is perceived by the electorate.

It has raised her profile and given her what her immediate predecessors did not have - a victory of sorts.
# gfaetheblock 2012-05-05 22:48
Agreed, it should be remembered that Lamont is months into the job, it took Salmond years to get where is the now.
# derek 2012-05-05 22:27
Very wise words Ledgerwood,movi ng from a minority to a majority government is having an effect.
# creag an tuirc 2012-05-05 23:07
The SNP getting control of two councils is going to be key, if they can get those councils thriving and put the 3 Labour held ones to shame, the word will spread.
# balbeggie 2012-05-05 23:30
Dundee is thriving, the minority administration since 2009 is very popular in Dundee, hence all 16 candidates elected. However the win didn't happen by accident as the election campaign to try and secure an overall majority started in June last year and continued up until 10 pm on Thursday.
# Boris Broon 2012-05-05 23:35
Quoting creag an tuirc:
The SNP getting control of two councils is going to be key, if they can get those councils thriving and put the 3 Labour held ones to shame, the word will spread.

REnfrewshire is one of those councils and I'm sure it won't be difficult to put the likes of Terry Kelly to shame.
# Boris Broon 2012-05-05 23:34
Having been watching the BBC I wasn't aware that the rest of Scotland had voted, thought it was just Glasgow.

Keep calm everyone we are nearly there. The taste of victory will be so sweet in 2014.
# rog_rocks 2012-05-05 23:44
Possibly people don't see that the Labour party are as much a part of the coalition as the Libdems are; spearheaded by their media arm the BBC.

An anti-Scottish all encompassing alliance and they make us pay for it too.

I hear a protest is being arranged on the 26th at Glasgow BBC, I think I'll be there :-)
# Leswil 2012-05-06 19:47
Congratulations to the SNP team all over Scotland, I am proud to be a member.

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